King_Obina

Glad you guys are doing so well, keep at it boys!

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Thanks for the fight friends.

Woah glad to know he has a nice job. Yeah please tell him I said hi, he was always a good lad.

Shame he wanted to go NH back in the day, he was a good member while in WL tbh. True is completely bonkers, but it is a requirement to lead a runescape clan.

I believe TCL would struggle more than WL's in the beginning, since WL core staff members such as @Vitor and @D96 were already inserted in the game. I think we would be more accepted by the New Schools in Arroz, maybe they would even try to join us. I definitely think we would try to capitalize on their members since we would not have a big old school pool to recruit from (if it was Sog coming back would be different tho). The whole quality over numbers and stuff would probably still be around. But I don't think we would've last much, since most of our core members are not even playing right now and TCL was always reliant on a certain group of people for a long time. I could be wrong tho.

If you mean the whole bottle, I would say something in between 60-100 USD if you want better wine with your meals you can go higher, good wine around here is not cheap. Durateen 100%.

From IRL people to spamming in GE, when Jaggy made de Brozil worlds we used to go in CWA with our junior clan to try and recruit there as well. We also recruited a lot from smaller clans, Brazilians like making open CC's and posing as clans (Arroz). It was hard, some people would just leave, we had regular activity/gear checks . Our Staff was also on top of everyone's combat and styles (mage and range) levels, we took the game really seriously when we were at peak, that was not something common at the time. What helped the most was the results, we won pretty much every tourney the Luso Brazilian community organized from 2009 to 2012. Also due to that, our members usually won most of the awards from the communities on a regular basis, from best tank to best caller etc... So people were drawn to TCL's winner mindset and culture. I would really like to have something to tell you, but we did not had that many e-daters, if we had they hid it pretty well. Means we actually accomplished something. I am glad to know people remember us. Yes, most of our guys would only focus on TCL, since we were pretty active at the time they never felt the need, specially the more old school SoG folks, Since Polaco always frowned upon that. He felt people should focus on their country clans, they were all kinda stuck with that mentality (I myself had that mentality for a long time). He was simply trying not to lose members tbh. We also had many members with shit English so they would never try and join main clans simply because they could not. Goodwar15, would probably be an official like some Portuguese folks were Like Dario in DF and Demo in VR. (We tried to recruit Demo a bunch of times tbh he would never leave VR). Wilky, was the best warlord we had even tho he was like 110 combat for 200 years, he would have made a fine addition. Spawn1, I still don't know how this guy never joined a main clan, but he was just an all around beast back in the day. Skinny_Bmx, was one of the best hybrids we had around, he did had the English to join, but never had the will to check a big clan out. I think he was part of Team Kenia LOL I could go on, the list is big, but most of the guys that never joined were people with Polaco like mentality. What is this?

Us making an MMA pie with our Chef's hat in a tourney. 1 - Binding our time, massing numbers etc... we wanted to be as ready as possible to take WL down when the time came 2 - From what I heard from most former SoG members, Polaco was the brains of the operation and the clan could not run without him. 3 - Well... since they crashed us both I'll be honest here, ADJ had some funny guys but their actions were just awful. I believe RMD crashed you all when the ADJ folks went full anti WL. 4 - Was not there, @Aiorya go. 5 - At that point we had a few issues within our ranks, I believe Goodwar and Aiorya fixed them pretty quickly. 6 - Feels weird but it is good to be recognized, and knowing I could help you all to reach another milestone in this miserable game. 7 - FBRS was a good forum, RuneBR was shit cause you people 0 balls to moderate it. D_Dark_Snake - Gigantic weirdo, he fitted right in HA. Meteora Lord - Funny guy, great to be around him and his counterpart Marola. Romulo5 - Only heard good things. Murilo171 - Funny as hell also, a good tanker and member... not much of a thinker tbh. R3nufus - The mason, excellent member, he gave his account away to Danilo, who was also an excellent member. Rafaels - Good caller, if he was on a streak could be our best as well, lil bit emotional tho. Sir Maximon - LG random dude, for some reason though he was a she for some time. Zig Frid - Sounded like a retard, acted like a retard and I did not like his calling. Andcom2 - Good guy, I think he would've been a good TCL member. Drag Ahrimps - Same as Andcom, I think I tried to recruit him once or twice. Decceiver - Heard he was the brains of MMA, unfortunately did not had a chance to talk much. Duke Lanz - Same as Cecceiver. Supremo13 - Meh. Ro Arid - Heard he was a good leader and caller but that is it, no interactions directly. Fil3000 - Did this guy actually called for yall or was a meat shield? Cause people would say let him call... Megaxes - I like him, good guy. Darck_Angel0 - Is this @Vitor? Mataoumorre - He seems ok, pretty much the @Aiorya from WL lmao. KK Rox - Best forum moderator in Brazil, bring FBRS back u bitch. Vex Brazil - Meh. Susan Ellen - The RuneBR Mod? She barely worked... that whole staff was bad tbh. Tysonps - Also think he would have been great in TCL,he should have had a little more balls to challenge TCL & WL back in the day. Thanks for Armorhelmet tho. Sacul - Had a few conversations with him on TCL, seemed like a good dude. Resurgido - Big spastic this one, kid could not moderate couple of elders discussing on a bingo, let alone a forum full of teenagers. 1 - No, I would probably join Tempest. 2 - Nah @true is a good guy, he needs to stop e-dating tho. 3 - Best: Wilderness return, Worst: Grand Exchange: Took out some dynamics of the game, it was nice to walk and see Falador/Varrock actually populated. twice.

Polaco returned and even was our PK Leader for a while, come on lad. But yeah Missed you in my top 20 LOLOLOL sorry 😞 That was not just tankers tho, but important members to our community, hybrids etc.

Hmm, we had some weirdos over the time, but Naaman parading his weak English on RSC always gave me the creeps. I think @D96 screams less, and I have not seem him call the old ways so it is hard to compare, @Victor was more energic tho. Solid clan with good base values, really liked you guys also Frilc was TCL, then TBK then TCL again. All the other members you listed were important members in MMA. Goodwar15 Aiorya Skinny_Bmx Almy Uk_Rei Vinalta0 Zid4ne0 Leofontes77 Seu_Polaco Spawn1 Lemaster RMD Moska MrLolz Frank Joao_Pixelseeker Falcao Salamero Victor Bigbig_Ok We had several uncapped fights against WL, cannot recall the longest tho but probably it was against them. We had one fight against RSD in a JCUP back in what 2010? We had 40's RSD had like 90. They bashed our skulls in hard... I believe this was one of the few fights I was like damn... we should just leave this shit is embarrassing.

1 - Yeah he chocked hard... I don't recall the feeling exactly other than "PERDEMO". 2 - Almy is a dumbass. 3 - Quite funny since he used all that information to do jack assigned with squat, he was a very successful spy tho ROT should learn from him. 4 - I believe HA would have been a contender if they had more time, their numbers were rising so they would have hit the spot to start getting better. 5 - You, you lil bitch. 6 - Moletom BR was the funniest name around. 9 - Yeah I used to hate Horn4 he is actually a nice lad. 10 - My first reaction was to laugh it was so shit it was funny. 11 - Unsure, maybe SOG if Seu Polaco decided to come back to the game, SoG could have rallied people just the way WL did imo.

IMO that would have made us lose a few good members, but the greater impact would have been in the main clans, since a lot of people always (even if they say the have not) gave priority to their country clans. 1ST - Jagex is dumb, and did not realized what they had in hands, they could have tried to categorize runescape clanning as an E-SPORT kinda thing, also they killed the wilderness for a long time, killing clans and losing players in the process. 2ND - The whole toxicity and shady tactics of some main clans.

I could compare you guys as the American Wilderland LMAO, we always hyped a lot when fighting you guys cause all of the RSC salt. Hmm... I had waaay more time for TCL, also I think it was easier since people would take the game more seriously, like gear checks/warns/requirements were way tighter and enforced back in the day.... And you would be surprised that some guys, even now a days can still act like kids to this age, so my patience is not the same as the days of old. So, I think it was actually harder to be a Council in WL even tho we had a good group of people, than it was in TCL. Nah @Lemaster is my boy. 1 - It felt like 2010 Aiorya was back, he always fought like that in CWA. 2 - I've helped kill Cl_Blood (who was one of our members) just because he was extremely annoying . 3 - No, most former TCL key players just don't have the time nor the will to make it work. 1 - I think we would have the potential to dominate, but due to ego stuff it would be really hard to work things out. 2 - We had a Trial Pk Leader Sr_Ice, the guy was just plain bad... one fight against idk maybe Coll? He was mid calling, just chocking all around and dropping pilles. When all of sudden our Ts goes mute, when I looked at our TS logs I saw @Aiorya banned him, he then goes "ANYONE ELSE PLEASE JUST PICK UP, IF YOU WANT TO TRAIN CALLING GO AHEAD " people start laughing and some one else stepped up to lead the fight. 3 - CR most definitely and Fools. 4 - Because Brazilians hate other Brazilians in general. 5 - Lolla Palooza 2016 Eminem was the main attraction. 6 - That Runescape can ruin peoples lives.

Question 1 - Bud, we cleared you guys from the wild in more than one occasion, and some of your folks back then would still post stuff claiming it never happened it was bonkers. Question 2 - That was a shit move from Hugo's part, shame since he was one of the best callers around during that period, and yeah it was not good... but hey HA got competitive after he went there so... some one benefited from that. Question 3 - I did not partake in that fight, after I left TCL I focused on having fun with TT. Most of the Portuguese folks were really top notch players and excellent people. Frank, Doutorsp, Goodwar15, Jerevasio, Johncenafu, Pte_Kis, Rubinhof, Dogax, Falcao and those are just coming from the top of my head, were all great people. It was sooo funny having these guys around. I learned a lot, the funniest one is: when most Portuguese people talk, they say "fuck it!", a lot, like it is nothing. I always marinated the idea of joining EH, I really like them tbh. Whenever I had a conflict, I would go for TCL. I believe I got kicked from DF cause I was skipping for TCL and DF showed up to AC LOLOLOL just got insta-kicked

We have 5 FIFA cups... shit happens, but we would probably take one to three months off to morn it... that 2014 Brazilian team was shit.

TCL x TT from 2010, I remember clearly the turning point when Uk started leading and transitioning through TT. I would have made a JR clan to recruit from scratch, maybe tried to capitalize more in our wins, helped the Brazilian community to grow stronger like RSPT did. Ban whoever engages in NH activities like Scam, Dox, hacking & etc. Fools, they were our main goal back in the day, unfortunately we were never able to beat them. Chicken parm with rice and fries. That is my safe plate in all restaurants here in Brazil. If I don't know if the food is good, I go with chicken parm cause it is at least acceptable.

What did/do you guys think of True as a leader? True was one of the best leaders I had on the international scenario, he is always around and talks to all the members whenever possible. Like I said from my passage in DF, the plan of action and its objectives are always clear to the members and that can really unite people behind one goal. He also used to be a pretty good caller back in the day, align that with his leadership skills he is a force to be reckoned in this game. For those who were/are in the most recent iteration of WL, can you elaborate on what happened that caused the incident earlier in the year where RoT were doxing a ton of ppl from WL and posting their irls? Was it just for helping clans they are currently in a crash war with, or was there more to it? Did you do anything in retaliation (I use the term retaliation lightly because i'm not expecting you to have done anything similar back, but hey, maybe)? They wanted WL to back out of the crash war and stop helping the Alliance, they tried to use that Dox to make us switch sides... What do you guys think of Arroz if you know anything about them? I think they are a open CC ? They tried to have beef with a real clan and got smacked. What are your opinions on 3rd party client and plugin usage for warring? On an ideal word people should not be using that... if jagex accepts them and people use them, then the field should be plane and all the clans should have access to them. If more clans were open to allowing multi clanning with country clans, and you wanted to join an international clan, what one would you pick? Why? Tempest, I have a lot of friends here and I like the way they roll. What do you think of the following clans?: Rev - Strong clan, top contender and I am glad to see a "new comer" into the F2P word, is currently in my top 3 F2P clans. RoT - I cannot look at them without taking in consideration what they try and do to the clan world, in my opinion they are a cancer and should be removed from the game. AF - Strong clan, can pull strong numbers and has good organization, not very strong in the EST time zone but can definitely overpull most of the clans around. DF - Good community, nothing but respect for these guys. If they retained most of the members from back in the day, they are probably the best men to men P2P clan around. SV - Dog shit VR - I think they have a lot of potential if week prep fights were a thing now a days. PD - I don't follow them closely. WL - My boys, our overall activity has fallen but that is probably due to IRL stuff. We Brazilians are volatile in activity at the game and I understand that. WM - Wild Might? Are they still around? Fools - Should make a come back, was most definitely the most dominant country clan around. Di - DI is a landmark in Runescape there are no doubts about that, they dominated back in the day saddened me deeply the fact they sided with ROT back in the day. Vit - Another strong country clan, don't know why they are not fighting F2P anymore. CL - Good Aussie clan, had good numbers and organization only good memories from fights against these guys. What do you guys think of pure clans? I don't follow them closely, but why pures why not train your account to full potential? I cannot wrap my mind around it tbh. What are the main differences between country clans in the past and those of modern day would you say? Numbers and time, most people don't have time to be online all the time like in the past, and we do not see new blood joining the ranks. Were there any instances of TCL members doing out of game stuff or other notably bad things that resulted in them either being removed or reprimanded? Durateen hacking, scamming and all that.. yeah he got kicked. Were there any members you removed from TCL that you didn't necessarily agree with removing? No. For @King_Obina how hard has True tried recruiting you? ... @true is a friend it is only natural he wanted me to join his clan, he invited me on day one. However I was already in WL, and I am not one used to jump ships easily, if I was able to be in both I would.

Did you have to consider the Libertadores Cup schedule when setting fights up? When I scheduled events as a Council yes, but most of our Warlords did not had that in mind. Did people leaving to watch a match ever costed you a fight? Probably indirectly, but in TCL's time most of the members would give the clan priority. The fall out in 2012 was the worst moment of TCL as a clan, that pretty much closed TCL's destiny. In your opinion, what makes you think TCL didn't have a community as strong as WL's? You guys had big IRL gatherings we never did that in such a scale, we also had lots of inner groups and circles. So our community was always like 10 different small groups, coordinated to win fights in runescape, we had members who would walk around on all groups, but some did not really talked to each other. Any remarkable reasons about members who got kicked/banned/warned? Diegom being kicked for bullying another kid LOL, a bunch of members were doing it but he was the main focus at the time.

Which clans did TCL hold in high regard? Alternatively, which clans did you guys dislike? We liked DF,RSD, FOOLS, 2M, TT, CORR, FOOLS, FSK we always had good relationship with all these clans. we had some small beef with CR, EOS and VR (Hugo). Who is the most influential figure in TCL history? Goodwar15 for sure he was the brains, @Aiorya was the spirit. Nah

How big is TCL's community these days? Do you have a Discord/Facebook group? We have a Facebook group of around 65 people and a discord with 50. Have you considered reopening on OSRS at any point? No serious consideration since most players from TCL are not around anymore. What is the most "no honor" thing you've done? We had this one annoying kid called CL_BLood, we killed him once in a p2p pk trip just because he was soooooo freaking annoying.

Do you think any Latin clan has ever been at the level of a Brazilian clan? No. Why do you think there have been historically many brazilian clans and not venezuelans, chileans, or w/e? I think their player base is significantly smaller, Brazil can fit all this country in it and there is still a lot of space around. Do you consider language would be a barrier to actually create a Hispanic/brazilian clan? It could happen if the pk leaders used English, if you play runescape you should understand English, but I don't see anyone trying that effort anytime soon. What was TCL's opinion back then when WL's leader basically deleted Hell Army's forums? Solidified our opinion that we were the light side to your dark empire, we suffered from that before and it was not something we would do with any other clan. Did you guys ever had problems with spies? Wagnerrafael was a spy on TCL, and he was so good at it we almost made him staff. What do you think made Brazilians choose MMA or WL over TCL? Our community was a little closed and we would work our members pretty hard on activity and performance, we also had a couple of toxic members that could rub some people the wrong way. Why do you think people chose TCL over other brazilian clans? We had big goals and the best callers of the era, so people would come to join a winning project. Did Pele really had his first sex relationship with a male kid? I have no idea, and I wont say anything about Maradona because I wont speak Ill of the dead, mate ########## I think we would be lined up with the alliance, helping to bury the ROT remains whenever possible and providing good clean fights to the rest of the clans around.

What clans did you respect the most? The least? Back in the day, RSD,BK,DF,TT... The least I would say Poison, PH, ROT. What is your best *personal* accomplishment in TCL? Survive and triage the mass joining we had from GD back in 2011, making sure only the best of them joined our ranks contributed directly to maintaining and also improving TCL quality back in the day. Who are some great regular TCL members that did not get a chance to be ranked? Jockerboy and Dtf_Drag were both great members, and I would have them in our ranks however we already had a big staff at the time they were around. I would say VR from back in the day, I believe they were only big numbers and therefore had a huge sniper unit. I don't think they are a real clan, think of them as an open CC. They don't have boards no TS no member list, no effort to be a real clan. Why would I categorize them as such? We played AOE, CS.16, Turrets, Haxball with the Portuguese folks as well. You guys definitely dominated the majority of the luso-brazilian scene from 2010 to 2012. With that being said, assuming all of you weren't in TCL anymore when the mass leave happened, how did it feel to see TCL from the outside? It felt like seeing some one parade around with your family. Even tho most loyal members had left and quit the game after the cue, it just had a bitter taste for me. What would you have changed in TCL if you had the chance? And if you say nothing you're lying # I would not have "bought" a JR clan, I would have made one from scratch that reported to our staff instead of having its own staff and leadership. To @Aiorya, @King_Obina and @Frankventura - how was that uncapped WL vs. Arroz fight for you guys? Did you have the same feeling that I mentioned? What surprised you positively/negatively? It was a good experience for sure, had been a while I did not had a fight. Even tho it was not fun when they squatted on GDZ like the garbage they are and just mass snipped. But again, it was an uncapped it was a shit tactic but was a tactic nonetheless. What would it take to reopen TCL? A time machine. How did clanning/RS in general affect your lives? My fiancé hates the fact that I have to participate in meetings and talk stuff about the game late at night, she is not very big on games tbh. Usually it does not play well with my relationship. What did you guys admire the most about WL back then? You still felt the same when we reopened in OSRS? The fact that you endured the ups and downs of the game and the clan. I do fell the same, it is interesting to see how WL could endure and outlast all the other Luso/Br Clans. What did you guys hate the most about WL back then? You still felt the same when we reopened in OSRS? Me personally, hated the whole brainwashing you did with your members back in the day, I mean... you guys would roll from MG, to GDZ then to Maze then fishing spot, and still some of your members would think you were doing great at the fight. Now a days I don't see that occurring, if we do bad we have honest down to earth analyses of what went wrong and why. Members usually know why we shat the bad. No problem Fluke, I understand you are just doing your job LOL. I would say TT had a top notch organization and community, I could not have choose a better retirement home to end my RS2 days. The Leadership seemed stable and they were always joking around, also Plaffy was a hell of a caller I really enjoyed all of our fights. TT had similar mindsets to TCL so that made me really comfortable when joining. Ronaldo the phenomenon, he retired in Corinthians the team I support. Even when he was fat and with both his knees fucked up, he would still be the better man in the field, even against a young Neymar he was MVP.

Yes, I watch matches and related TV/YT stuff all the time. Tempest is formed of an all time alliance between old geezers from all around the clan world. Revenant seems to be like pure breed REV formed members (I might be wrong), that is something you rarely see in the runescape clan environment these days. Why did TCL not re-open in OSRS to challenge Wilderland? Was it simply not feasible due to WL already having a ton of TCL in it ? At this point in time, there is just not enough Portuguese/Brazilians playing this game to have 2 good clans, it would be a waste to try it. Maybe if we had a surge in numbers and a big come back of old ley players it would be feasible. Where would you rank TCL all-time among country clans? 2nd bested only by Fools if you consider 2010-2012. Give me your thoughts then & now on: -Wilderland - Then, they were our biggest rivals, after we (TCL) reached a good level of organization and warring skills, most of their members did not had the will to go the extra mile and improve to follow us to that next level. By that I mean grind CWA against hardened clans, analyze it and improve. Now a days WL is the last Brazilian clan alive, most of the former TCL joined their project of one united Brazilian clan, it is not like the legends household but they make an effort to accommodate us and I've made good friends in there. -Hell Army - Then After 2009 they rose to be a big contender, they had the numbers but lacked quality and discipline. Now I would say if runescape 2 had a few more good years in it, they would have been the next top #2 if Hugo was calling at his prime. They were not big on public relations with other clans as well always sneaking in a crash war whenever they could. -MMA - Then, Their leadership lacked ambition, they had a good quality and in 2008 could tangle with any other Brazilian clan in even numbers, however their lack of ambition made good members on their end leave (that gave us Armorhelmet & @Lemaster for instance), Now I think they were just comfortable and doing their own thing playing DOTA. -MB - Then they had good organization & lacked numbers, heard they had a good caller but never checked out myself. Now I believe they have produced some good members that are in WL.

I really liked DF's, good community IRC was very active and we were always talking, TS was also active, solid leadership and even in the crashwar all the members understood the plan of action. I also liked DF's positioning against ROT, and never engaging in out of game tactics such as DOX or DDOS. Right now I cannot tell, I still wonder why they wont engage in F2P again since they were always really strong, It would benefit the scenario greatly if DF was around fighting in rune again.