Pengy

Welcome, good luck!

When True 2k8 had His Lordship on speed dial 

If RS abruptly shut down tomorrow, what would you do instead?

If you could choose a skill that you would instantaneously become an expert at, what would would you choose?

What is one thing that you have recently accomplished that you feel particularly proud of?

DF vs DI circa 2016

If you could build a lineup of officials (not including yourself), who would you choose? (Bonus points if you include why you chose particular people)

Welcome, I recognize your name 🙂

Grats Bauz 🙂

21 hours ago, Kuraminha said:

I would be gladly willing to keep this discussion rolling but I'm not sure if you want me to continue or if an even longer response with evidence from medical experts would make you feel unsafe because of the supposed danger the "lies" of an entire community of doctors offers to you. 

You are more than welcome to post your evidence. However, calling the vast majority of physicians (and other healthcare professionals) liars is inappropriate. Doctors undergo a rigorous training to become specialists in the field, and provide important advice to keep us health and safe. The overwhelming majority of doctors and guidelines clearly recommend vaccination, both for COVID, and other infectious diseases.

21 hours ago, Kuraminha said:

See, I could say the same about your point of view since there's more than 50 pages of serious adverse reactions reported just from the COVID vaccine itself on CDC's official site (unfortunately it didn't make it to a Facebook post), and that's why I'm here for -- to warn people of its danger. I don't bother to respond at all, as per se this is to me a chance to explain why I had the same opinions as you have but later on found myself wrong. 

When you visit the CDC's adverse reports page, you are greeted with a warning at the top of the page. I have attached a screenshot here for your convenience. The CDC accepts reports of any adverse events around the time of vaccine administration, whether there is any true relationship to vaccine use or not. Considering that you claim to be well-read on this issue, I am sure you are familiar with the concepts of correlation and causation. There may appear to be some correlations between vaccine use and adverse reactions (whether these correlations are real or not). However, this does not imply that the adverse event was caused by the vaccine. 

21 hours ago, Kuraminha said:

There are meticulously researched data listing the references upon which data is based, people respected in their respective areas who gave some light onto issues that are assumed to be clear-cut and settled long ago, way before me. It would take a while to respond such a long response but by no means it would be difficult when there's literally every answer easily found online to every point you called out. But unfortunately, as Tika have said, somewhere in this forums the same topic got a little bit intense, which is by no means my intention and I have no interest in engaging in a name-calling discussion with personal attacks on someone's character.

This is a public forum, you are more than welcome to express your beliefs to others. Further, you are especially encouraged to use references if you think they will help convince others of your claims. Nobody on this thread is name-calling. However, several of us disagree with the claims you are spreading, and want to make sure that information about the COVID (and other) vaccines is rooted in evidence-based scientific reasoning.

22 hours ago, Kuraminha said:

Sometimes poor choice of words can be made out of anger when you have a brother hospitalized and a grandfather dead right the very after their jabs, being myself injured before. So yep, in this case I'm sorry so. 

I am truly sorry that you are going through such a traumatic experience. Illness and death in the family, especially simultaneously, is very difficult. However, I urge you to examine all biologically plausible potential factors involved. Although vaccination may have occurred within a short period of time to these events, there may not be much evidence to suggest that it played a part.

Welcome 🙂

37 minutes ago, Kuraminha said:

That would be true my dear but only if I accepted the premise that without vaccines infectious diseases would cause death and suffering, which even tho it may sound presumptuous, with due respect, I don't. You see, precisely because I want human suffering and death to cease just like you my fren that I am against vaccines, since it's been proven their enormous numbers of adverse reactions reported (tons of papers peer reviewed included), the insanely and subnotified death tolls from vaccines alone, how they've been spreading viruses that supposedly have been gone (false) and how plumping and sanitation in urban areas filled with rats and other vermin stopped spreading diseases (something which even the father of modern epidemiology said so). But those are known facts to the independent medical community that doesn't fit government and pharmaceutical lobbies. 

You wrote that the basis for vaccines is false. However, the basis for vaccines (regardless of whether in reality they help/hurt/etc.) is to end disease. Based on your most recent remarks, it is clear that your intended stance is that the basis for vaccines is positive, however, you don't believe that they are effective and further believe that they are actually dangerous. There is no doubt that there have been some dangerous vaccines in the past whether that be due to application in inappropriate individuals, manufacturing issues, or other reasons. However, generalizing these incidents are inappropriate due the varying biological mechanisms of individual vaccines.

37 minutes ago, Kuraminha said:

But then again, my fren, to agree with you I would need to accept that vaccines eradicated smallpox, polio and other diseases, and although I respect your great contribution to the topic I wouldn't go down this path myself. Most independent doctors and specialists I've had the opportunity to come across agree that although sanitation ended this diseases, like in other cases, the smallpox vaccine took the credit, with some other diseases never really being eradicated but rebranded with other names in the first place. Looking into these works and papers I've made my mind on this but not without any resistance, being skeptical myself.

It is broadly accepted that sanitation has been a critical part of modern disease prevention . However, we can remove sanitation as a confounding variable if we examine more recent research that has been conducted in the setting of modern sanitation. In such studies we still find vaccines important in disease prevention. Recent outbreaks of measles in the United States (which overwhelmingly affected intentionally unvaccinated individuals) is a prime example of this. 

35 minutes ago, Kuraminha said:

I wouldn't force you or anyone else on agreeing with me because those are some bold statements right there, I concede. Would be cruel to just throw them out of the window and expect not to give any help or explanation I can give right after. And for your respect, honesty and patience in reading these sort of not very expected comments I thank you, Pengy. 🙂

Happy to engage in a healthy discussion about the merits of such an important topic 🙂

3 hours ago, Kuraminha said:

That subject is fully regulated by the most corrupt mafia in the human history, the entire basis for it is flawed since day one

What do you mean by this statement? Even if for a moment we pretend that vaccines are ineffective at the problem they intend to solve, your statement implies that you believe that human suffering and death due to infectious disease is acceptable and justified.

3 hours ago, Kuraminha said:

they know it but they profit from it faking the whole data behind its alleged success and hiding the most obscure, mortal, inhumane, dangerous market behind their products (not only vaccines tbh).

It's hard to argue that the efficacy of vaccines in general is a hoax when they are the primary reason for the eradication of smallpox (~300 million deaths over the 20th century) and eradication of wild polio in all but Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Welcome @true's boy. Good to see you again 🙂

Grats!!

11 hours ago, VirgoVaca said:

What kind of flowers (both annuals and perennials) do you grow? There’s a lot of really nice perennials that I’ve been experimenting gardening with that are native to our area. 

I'm not a big flowers guy, though I like sunflowers and marigolds. I'm more into veggies. Annuals I do tomatoes, peppers, leafy greens, cucumbers, zucchini and herbs. Perennials I have apple and pear trees, raspberry bushes, and probably a few other things that aren't coming to mind.

Yes, I like growing a variety of vegetables every year. Grow a variety of annuals each year and also just planted some new perennials this year.

Welcome Bryan 🙂

Personally not interested enough to pay that much on-top of a subscription to watch those movies. But I guess to some extent it makes some sense (to Disney) since the movies would typically be in theatres and unavailable to stream.

Nice job Mitch!

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Netflix, occasionally disney+ to watch the mandalorian

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