Applerune

Bowl + tortilla on the side

1/2 steak, 1/2 chicken

1/2 black bean, 1/2 pinto

Double fajita veggies

Mild salsa

Hot salsa

Corn salsa

Cheese

Lettuce

Sour Cream

Guac

edit: how could I forget fajita veg

just doing my part

Did before I moved. It can be annoying, not worth the hassle, and in almost all cases illegal to cross state lines with them so I sold them all before I moved. Happy to answer any questions the euros have.. pretty in tune with gun culture and I'm pro 2A.

Thanks for doing the AMA. This'll be a good one

Can't exactly remember the year - probably 2009 - but there was a period of time when COR & DF weren't doing too hot. Matter of fact, I think it had to have been 2009 because I believe it was during the crash war. Anyway, Ves messaged me on MSN and wanted to manufacture a rekindled rivalry between each clan so we would each get a boost from it. If memory serves me right he made some stupid post on RSC or DF forums or something and called us out/baited us and we had planned the entire thing together, unbeknownst to anyone else (as far as I'm aware - certainly on my end of things). 

The larger point here is I always admired how Ves could be a normal person you could talk to outside of clan stuff. I won't act like I spoke to Ves a ton but he was an approachable clan official and I respected that. A lot of clan officials were so ride or die it was insane. People like Ves were a breath of fresh air. A lot of TT officials were like this too. Another one is Nodari from VR - just from my POV.

DI

Cool to see the AMA. There's a lot of untold stories among the smaller clans that I bet rival those of the bigger ones. Thanks for doing it!

good guy

Parmigiano-Reggiano (not the fake ass American gross shit).

Some close seconds: Gruyere, Manchego, Pecorino, Smoked Gouda

3 hours ago, Robelink said:

 

This doesn't make sense in my head whatsoever. Corr closed because the clan was in a pathetic state prior to it's closing. And im not talking weeks or months, im talking years. Directly relating that to the state of the clan world makes no sense. People will always say that the clan world was better in x era than x era, but that doesn't mean that others are not having fun in 2021, pulling 30 or 150 like old days. Things change and even though I had more fun being involved in the clan world in 2009 than I do now, I still enjoy fighting and I appreciate that clans like VR and DF managed to stay strong through the years, the first one still maintaing the officials from back then, like Evizu and Cera.

Won't even bother giving details cause you literally have no idea what you're talking about 

5 minutes ago, Echliurn said:

Requesting Demonchilds

I feel bad because it seems like he gets dunked on by everyone. Lord knows we'd love to have him tell his side of the story. Tom is an absolute A+ guy though. One of the nicest, most well-rounded people that has ever graced this game. Through all of the RS bullshit (that is ultimately meaningless) he deserves to be known as an incredibly decent guy who genuinely cared about others. 

Also, whether you agree or disagree with his ways - there are a lot of people in that latter category - Tom cared his ass off about COR. Nobody can deny that.

8 minutes ago, Noble Inc said:

If Corr came back nowadays, how do you think you would react to how the clan scene is now?

COR was the only clan with the balls to actually close when all clans should have. It's embarrassing to see some of the clans that have stuck around since. May piss a lot of people off - couldn't care less - but people who brag about things accomplished after 2012 always made me laugh. The clan world has been such a joke for nearly a decade. Watching almost every clan indirectly die a slow painful death (god forbid they ever admit it) was painful to watch, especially when you consider their history and legacy. 

That said, it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Personally, I think it's super dope how so many communities have stuck together, but when I see a post of old clans like DF and VR celebrating another milestone it makes me laugh. Not that anyone cares about what I think, anyway - but I always loved a good discussion. 

COR moved on from RS so long ago, it'd be ridiculous to ever think about reopening the clan.

12 minutes ago, Crest227 said:

I totally disagree with your opinion that he was universally respected. The majority of the clan disliked him and you won’t find anyone outside of Corruption that will ever say they respected how Rob conducted himself or even liked him. The only respected thing was his longevity, which I agree with.
 

 

You talk about influence, but when you lose 3 generations of leadership b2b2b, doesn’t that speak about a lack of influence and respect? The leader remains the leader, everyone below him rotates out, doesn’t speak of a lack of leadership? Like you’re trying to portray that everyone else was the issue, they lacked loyalty? Perhaps Rob and Tom were so detrimental that nobody could be bothered to stay and be constantly undermined by them? Oo we’ve fought for ten hours, Toms been here for half an hour and wants to leave, time to end thanks for coming guys! Look forward to a topic in 3 days when Rob decides to grace us with his presence, talking about a lack of dedication from everyone except himself and Tom! Don’t worry about replying, not like Rob will read it or even give a shit. Good talk Rob, see you next month! 
 

I have lots of experience as a member and as a rank in countless clans. Seen it all, literally all of it. I don’t agree with the sentiment that Corr was unique in losing it’s leadership. Vr and Eos had a ton of turnover in the ranks. In terms of Vr, it was what fueled the clan to the heights it achieved, the ambition we had in Vr has only ever been surpassed by Rot. Vr in my opinion had far more mass leavings, slumps, changes in leadership then Corr ever did. Corr kept Rob, Vr lost Stephen, General shop and Viper1500.

 

I sort of agree with your point about Tom being able to outlast everyone, but I’m going to put it another way. Have you considered that he sabatoged everyone and everything he percieved as a threat to his power because he was insecure? I definitely agree Rob was the enabler though.
 

I totally agree about Andy. But this is what aggravates me when I talk about Corr. I can make a list of officials, 80% of them will hate Rob and Tom. Why didn’t they all just get together and drop an ultimatum on them? Listen we run the clan, you guys are inactive and out of touch. We respect the time you put into the clan, but we need you to stop undermining us and the progress we’re making here. We’re the majority, we do all the work, we want your input, we don’t want your interference anymore. Wouldnt’t that of made sense? That’s why I have to believe that the leadership was clique like and fractured, which is what enabled the two weakest people

in leadership to maintain power and ruin the clan. I would even speculate that Tom instigated a lot of it to keep it easier for him to maintain his influence.

Point #1:

We'll agree to disagree. I've always been one of those people who've been able to put clan differences aside and drama and show respect to those who deserve it. I was a much more diplomatic clan official than most, so this simply may be a difference in approach. I really cannot think of anyone who would honestly say that Rob isn't universally respected. I didn't really like the way Evizu conducted himself at times (or his methods) but I would never say with a straight face that he wasn't someone who isn't universally respected. People who admit otherwise cannot suppress their teenage feelings of angst. It takes big picture thinking to understand. There were plenty of people that I did not personally like but I respected the hell out of. I cannot speak of Robs level of respect prior to 2008 because I wasn't in the clan then. But I trust the conversations I've had with people named repeatedly on this topic who clued me in on certain dynamics prior to my time as an official in the clan. I was promoted to Council in 2008.

I cannot think of people in the clan world that are more universally respected than Ghjjf and Robtokill. Their contributions to clanning are nearly unmatched. As much as it pains 16 year old me to say this, I'd probably add Evizu to that group as well. I have heard a lot about you from old COR officials (both those who left and those who stuck around) and I trust their judgment. This isn't necessarily a poor reflection of you - but I know you clearly hate Rob with a passion and I understand not being able to separate respect from feelings. I was told as much over the years.

I have never spoken to a COR official - in public or private - that did not universally praise Rob. They may not have liked the way he conducted himself (at times I didn't) but they always respected his contributions. Some of these officials you and others have named are people who have echoed similar sentiments. Almost everyone would say that they didn't like Rob, but they respected him. Again, agree to disagree, which is totally fine. No harm done. I know you don't like Rob so that's hard for you to admit. 

Point #2:

Before I address -  if I didn't already make it clear (I believe I did) I never once claimed Rob was the most active person. He wasn't. 

You misunderstood my position on the Demon-Rob dynamic. I never once claimed that everyone else was the issue. Far from it. Anyone who has had a serious conversation with me about COR knows that I had my issues with Demon and I do cast a lot of blame for COR being held back on him. I spoke to D2 in private about this earlier and it's so easy to say in hindsight that we should have cut the head off the snake and been done with it.

We tried, but we were using a dull blade. It wasn't going to be very successful. It didn't happen until 2010 when I was promoted to leader.

In retrospect, I believe Demon was very particular about individuals he promoted. Enzock and Chris1791 come to mind - they were Demon truthers through and through. You really think someone was going to tell Robtokill what to do with his clan? In 2006-07-08? When clan officials and clans actually respected each other? Respected longevity, dedication, etc.? It was a different time and I think you forget that. 

Point #3:

COR wasn't unique in losing its leadership ranks. Never said that. But it was unique in that it almost always was never able to get those members of leadership to return. If people quit, they were gone forever. If people retired, they were gone forever. It's a different dynamic. All of the leaders that you mentioned in VR returned to the clan later. It's personal opinion, but I also felt that most clans did a much better of internalizing their beef and keeping it together than COR did. Happy to agree to disagree, but COR was a very "you're either in or your out" type of clan. 

Also, the sentiment that COR was unique in losing leadership ranks is laughable. Every clan went through it. I almost feel stupid having to clarify that. 

Point #4:

Of course? That was my entire point about the Rob-Demon dynamic. Couple Demon's sabotage with a COR legend (hence the respected part) in Rob and you have the perfect cocktail to 1) always win arguments and debates against other officials,  2) outlast all of those officials when they've left, and 3) influence the next base of officials when they come. That's literally the entire problem and why it was so hard for the snakes head to be cut off, because the snake had an enabler and the snake promoted people who were most likely to back him up. Look, Rob is a legend and can be universally respected, a good guy, all that, and still be an enabler to Demon. Both of those things can be true. And I have nothing but love for Rob.

Point #5:

Understand where you're coming from. Glad we agree on Andy. But to your point on why couldn't X do this, or Y do that: the answer is... it's not that easy, and anyone who had a seat at the adult table and was directly responsible in the decisions and outcomes of leading a top 5 clan knows what I'm talking about. With the benefit of hindsight it seems easy. The reality is it isn't. 

On 1/6/2021 at 1:51 AM, Crest227 said:

You say Rob was highly regarded, but I never saw that in my entire time in Corr, if anything Rob was a Paraiah. There would be a group of us playing Tribal wars together, Keith would just openly talk shit about Rob and Tom to us(us being rads, me, magicarrow, da masta420, to name a few. I feel that Corr’s leadership was incredibly clique like. I also felt that I was right at the pinnacle of it’s demise. Rob made another topic flaming people and I took it personally. I called that pussy out on his bullshit. Which resulted in me being guested inmediately by Tom. Right after that, Eric left/removed and it all went downhill from there, Rads to Di. I think you and Lukas were the last ones to be out of the Corruption equation.

 

Which makes me wonder, look at all of us, the people who made Corruption the best clan in the game, all used up and spit out by the biggest retards to ever lead a top clan. Who actually instilled the power to Tom? Why didn’t Keith or Andy over rule that vermin? Why did Corr allow him to implode in my opinion the best clan of all time? 

Again, not trying to hijack but D2 actually told me to shed some more light on this:

So, obviously what happened with Keith (Chopa234), Demon, Rob, and others is well known. Chopa ended up retiring/quitting because of the Demon-Rob dynamic, but more specifically because Rad didn't get leader. If Rad was leader, Keith would have stuck around. I became very close with Keith over the years and actually got him to come out of retirement once the new guard really started taking over. He really bought into what we were doing and wanted to help. These topics almost feel like we are dunking on Rob, but I don't think that's entirely accurate. You have to understand a few dynamics to really piece this together:

Rob is a legend of COR. Universally respected, no matter if - at the time - we each wanted to be prisoners of the moment and let emotions get the best of us. There was a reason Rob was able to disappear for a couple weeks and come back and give advice and it seem heaven sent. It's because of the respect he commanded .... full stop. He was around for a long, long time. It's just unfortunate he couldn't always be active towards the end of his tenure. Right or wrong, that's your answer. 

Next, Demon & Rob are Aussie. This only improved their dynamic and pretty much gave Demon an out no matter what. Rob would almost always back him up. HOWEVER, that's not why Demon had so much staying power and influence. It's because every time Demon did something that an official didn't like (Rad, Seifer84, Chopa234, Conditions21) etc., they almost always ended up quitting or retiring. This created an IMPOSSIBLE dynamic for the leadership because it was too easy to say "well, when the going gets tough these people leave and Demon always stays." It was too easy to simply point and say "well I'm loyal and they're not, but you'll back THEM up? Please." Rob & Demon also had an almost identical way of leading the clan - which didn't help.

It may sound weak in hindsight but Demon's loyalty is ultimately what kept in charge for so long, with so much influence. COR's instability was Demon's best tool because it allowed him to do as he pleased... you couldn't argue with the guy that had been there through it all. Again, sounds weak a decade plus later, but anyone who was in leadership in a top clan knows this dynamic. It most certainly happened in other clans like DF and VR, but the difference is mostly their officials stuck it out and didn't mass leave. THAT's the difference. 

Andy was too passive. A legend, one of the best fall in leaders EVER, but too passive. It's unfortunate because he was never going to be confrontational about certain things... it just wasn't his style. Andy simply didn't care enough. 

Chopa and I spoke nearly every single day for years. We have talked about literally every single COR story and dynamic there is and he always said that it just wasn't worth fighting a battle he wasn't going to win. People get tired man, and nobody was going to stop Demon.

14 minutes ago, true said:

Do you regret not mending fences with CoR at some point?

 

 

Not trying to hijack the AMA but I'd like to add from COR's POV as an official in the clan when D2 left:

Nobody was mad at D2 for leaving. It certainly wasn't a hatred thing or a "screw him" type of scenario. EVERYONE was supremely disappointed. But nobody was mad and I think there is a huge difference between the two - anyone who was an official in a high ranking clan and had this happen to them probably knows what I'm talking about. Everyone disliked Lukas and was glad he was gone. There were really no fences to be mended with D2, if he tried to rejoin we would have gave him hell simply on principle but he would have been welcomed back. We always felt D2 was pretty insistent on not screwing us over or talking bad about us, even though he left, and he proved that over time. He clearly loved COR despite what transpired. 

The dynamics of his leaving, prior officials, and officials after probably deserves an AMA by itself. There are a lot of moving parts. D2 alluded to it earlier with himself, Lukas, Chopa, Conditions21, etc.

Never mentioned this to you but COR never really went out of our way to recruit anyone. We would never try to poach from other clans, steal clans officials, or plant seeds of doubt to lure people away or what have you. It just wasn't our style... people just kind of joined and we took what we got. But I can remember conversations with Rob and Demon about trying to get you to come back. Myself and others (I think I spoke to Starman about this, can't quite remember) always felt like you wouldn't fit in with VR and that we could get you back maybe, but Rob and Demon were pretty hell bent on it not happening. If it was brought up it was basically "he choose his path and joined VR and it is what it is" type thing.

There was definitely a "he's boys with Lukas and being influenced" type thing going on from our POV. But who's to say? It doesn't matter anymore. 

I know you really enjoyed your time in VR but it is crazy to think about what could have been. You would have almost certainly been the next leader of COR had you not left. It's interesting to think about all these years later. You deserve your respect as one of the best COR officials ever - even though you left. I don't think anyone who really mattered has ever told you that but it's true.

almost always 8 hrs

Been a long time... glad to see you around!

Do you have any contact with Dragon Boss?

4 hours ago, Melo C said:

theyre called the beatles cause they were influenced by buddy holly and the crickets. They thought the name was so unique\cool they decided to name them after some sort of bug, hence the beatles. John lennon was a straight up buddy holly fan boy btw.

 

they are quite good tbh. The beatles did a lot of things in the studio that paved the way for future artists. Even their songwriting is unique when you break it down and study. Their recording utilized a lot of weird effects and overdubs in such a way, not many bands were doing such a thing at the time. If they were, they were not doing it to the extent of the beatles. There’s a book somewhere that discusses the recording/engineering techniques they used to capture certain sounds or the best sounds for drums (having them face the corner). 
 

we cant also forget their live shows... yeah its basically screaming fan girls but hey, money dont discriminate. Alas we get to their songwriting which makes mumbo jumbo lyrics seem like pure gold, to progressions which technically dont make sense yet sound fascinating. In some songs songs like “a day in the life” you can hear a build of an orchestra sounding hectic af only to be ended by a 1 simple chord which completely resonates and makes the song feel finally complete. 
 

also cant forget the big names influenced by the beatles at the time. You basically had a majority of big timers have mad respect for the group and their huge achievements. Those guys would literally go on to influence the next wave and so forth.

 

tldr: interesting recording techniques, songwriting techniques, catchy songs, etcetc

Someone sensible on the topic

You always had a weird reputation of being off the wall and crazy but the few times I was able to hear you lead and call I always wished you might have been able to join COR. A lot of clans probably could not have handled you but you would have been perfect in COR.

Thanks for doing the AMA!

ty for posting runk

poached

Always a pasta dish - stuffed shells, lasagna, baked ziti, etc. Meatballs, sausage, bread, seafood (shrimp, lobster, crab, others).

Then something like ham & all the other American type shit people eat here

8 hours ago, TooWhite4You said:

how about something actually useful for clans

Right? Who gives a shit about a Jagex Cup. What a waste of time

Thanksgiving

There were only a few people we were reluctant to pile and the ones that come to mind are d0nts, The Network, Battleneo, iSteph, Lassuri, and Sgt Frank1. It felt like almost all of the good tanks were in TT. No other clans really came close

Didn't include anyone from COR but Andy, Felipe Prieb and Ngaged were absolute beasts