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What are some things you wished PH could accomplish, but could not, for whatever reason? We never really had aspirations to be a top X clan, we were just doing our own thing in the mid-size clan world. I wish we had set up an IRL meetup while everyone was still active tbh. What top clans did you respect the most? The least? The most - The Titans, Reign of Terror. The least - Violent Resolution

What your biggest pull to an event? As a clan? ~68 or so, as a CC team it was probably 100+ Did you do other activities outside of pk as a clan? We actually played the game unlike most clans in the late RS2 period, so plenty of PvM stuff/CWA luring/etc What is your favourite memory? I liked the early OSRS period where everybody played the game and trained up together. It was a breath of fresh air and everybody was pumped for the game after the downer EoC was. What is your least favourite memory? EoC, I straight up quit the game and clanning and could not be bothered to even try Have you ever played on an rs private server? Nope

A bunch of different clan rivalries merged into giant alliance cluster fights. PH had beef with Genesis, Downfall didn't like Genesis either. TT was beefing with VR, Solace was beefing with EoS. What would've been individual rivalries/crash wars all merged together into giant cluster fights. I wasn't very active during this period so maybe someone else here can give a better explanation but here's the clans I remember Holy Alliance - Solace, The Titans, Pure Hatred, Downfall, and some other clans/teams Slave Alliance - Violent Resolution, Echo of Silence, Genesis, and some other clans/teams I tried looking online for anyone who listed out the alliances but couldnt find much since Zybez forums are gone. Someone listed this though "The Holy Alliance being - SOL/TT/TK/PH/DF/WL/LS and the Slave Alliance being VR/EOS/GEN/SO/CD/HA/CL". I don't know who TK and LS is, not sure if Wilderland was in the Holy Alliance or not but if Hell Army was on the Slave Alliance side then maybe they had some Brazilian clan beef at the time. On the Slave alliance side I'm not sure who SO is and don't remember if Critical Damage, Hell Army, or Chivalry Legions was involved either. But that list could be right. The funny part was that in the CDRSC awards for 2012 best rivalry the initial winner was literally listed as "Holy Alliance vs Slave Alliance" and then they took that down because the names were potentially offensive or something and renamed it to Holy Alliance vs Unholy Alliance If anyone still has the original image that said "Holy Alliance vs Slave Alliance" please post that shit. Edit: after some internet detective work I have obtained the original

We never fought DI, they closed in 2009 and we were just a CC team at the time. In the later years like late 2011 through 2013 OSRS we had pretty good relations with TT, we'd AC for each other a lot and leaders were on pretty good terms. DK were a nuisance to TT and we were in a rivalry/crash war with DK so that made us friends basically. We were also on the same side as TT in the cluster fights of 2012 (I think TT participated in the Holy Alliance vs Slave Alliance stuff?)

I don't really remember ever hitting FOOLS, although there was this one time LDK got really mad at us and was trying to hunt us near BH. Maybe we ended up killing people from both clans or something and LDK were pissed off enough to try to hunt us.

Wee Man never really talked much on a mic back then and doesn't really say retarded shit, so I'm having a hard time coming up with one here. Other than the one I told in page 2 about us voting for his mom in the 2011 RSC awards for best tank. Fun fact: I even convinced Saddampbuh from NI to vote for her. I don't think he found the idea very funny but did it anyways.

Were there any clans you guys felt allied to in some way or another? In the early days of 2009 we never crashed CoR or bothered them in any way because @Robtokillhosted our teamspeak + forums back then. We weren't necessarily allies or anything since we were just a CC team at the time. In late 2009 we actually were allied with NI after they broke off from DK. VR was huge at the time after DI closed and they were pulling 150+. We participated in the anti-VR on the side of Divine Forces + Corruption + EoS since DK were allied with VR. Later on, we were allies with Downfall and the same side as them in the Holy Alliance vs Slave Alliance clusters, I think most people remember that. We also had friendly relations with TT as well. We also had pretty good relations with Critical Damage for a while, who also originated as a CC team. Any specific Genesis members you wanted in PH who were in Gen at the time? Give me a brief overview of how the PH/Gen crash war went through, it's a huge gap which I have yet to fill throughout the years as I wasn't playing RS at the time I wasn't very active during the original Genesis crash war in RS2 so someone else would have to answer this. As for the OSRS crash war I think it was a continuing where we left off kind of a deal.

I thought about this for a while and there is one story from our open CC days in early-mid 2009, which is the story of how we started the rivalry with DK. In early 2009 PH and DK were actually allies, and DK would actually help us hit Terminal Ftw every now and then. I think Krunal actually joined their fights sometimes. However, as you may know, Derek is a complete moron and DK were a bunch of assclowns so most of us didn't like them. Eventually, sometime in summer of 2009 at some point, Hellboys and I decided we were going to hit DK. Krunal was busy sucking footlongs working at Subway so he wouldn't be online until the evenings, so Hellboys and I were running the clan most of the time that summer. So one weekday afternoon, KTV5968 was leading DK near GDZ. Our fall in was walking towards there as well, I remember DK was just spamming "Hi ph" as we were walking up. I was leading the fall in and and we one shot Ktv. It was fucking hilarious, they thought their allies were walking towards them and then their fall in leader gets one banged. Anyways, after that let's just say we weren't allies with DK anymore. When Krunal got on that night, he was furious since he was the one maintaining the alliance with DK at the time and Hellboys/I destroyed all of that. Krunal actually quit then clan for a week, and we ended up using my CC for a few days instead of his. But after Krunal came back he was onboard the "fuck DK" train.

Honestly, the crash war with Solace would've gone better if we did it ourselves. This is not shitting on Downfall in any way, but with Downfall we were fighting Solace straight on head to head. If we were by ourselves we could've applied asymmetrical warfare essentially. We were very good at ruining fights for clans larger than us that got involved in crash wars. The Pure Downies fights in the Holy Alliance VS Slave alliance were great though, no regrets teaming with Downfall there. Sometimes with these crash wars it's not about winning a head on fight directly, but making the other guy lose their planned fights and having their members feel like they were wasting their time ingame. We were okay with not having standard fights and just crashing, most other clans were not and would see attrition after a while. This is something we did to Genesis in OSRS when they had fights outside of our timezone, we'd hit their returners/stragglers and then log out or go to singles if they stopped the fight. I remember this one time Genesis was fighting Divine Forces they stopped the fight a dozen times except they couldn't find us most of the time after they stopped. @True 2k8was actually leading DF ingame at the time and I remember he was super annoyed at Genesis for stopping the fight so many times and at us for crashing. Tl;dr we were the Taliban

I've been gone from the clanning community for 8 years now, I'm surprised Wee man and Gochance1 has kept it going in multiple clans since then

Yeah I'm not too clear on the exact dates of PH vs Exo now that I think more about it, I thought it was mid-2010 but may have been late 2010 and bled into early 2011. I was trying to look for videos/threads and this was the only PH vs Exodus vid I could find which was from Jan 2011. I don't know if this was from the beef or just a scheduled fight later on though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpV-chY5L5I I also found a vid of PH vs CL in the 2011 Jagex Cup, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbXPa5CGGqw I remember this one where we lost but didn't do too bad while being down 7 from the start I guess

We weren't alive during original wilderness era or the CWA era. PvP era we were a CC team, BH world era was when we grew and got organized. I quit after EoC because the game sucked and so did half the clan really. OSRS was fun since everyone was leveling up and starting from anew. If EoC kept going without OSRS release we would've closed anyways. OSRS injected some fresh air into the clan world and we had a bunch of people return to the game. But eventually IRL responsibilities still caught up and we closed.

It's been a while so some of the details are hazy but I remember before the PH vs Exalt crash war, Exalt had fights with other mid-size clans like Ascension and the RSC threads would get pretty nasty. So I figured Exalt must've done something to piss off the other clans like Ascension/Exodus/etc since you were the common factor. It wasn't the longest crash war or anything but I do remember having fun during that one, seems like you guys had some internal conflicts as well which led to closure that I wasn't aware of.

In the very beginning we were literally a bunch of guys who were pking in Falador when PvP worlds came out since Fally was multi combat. No TeamSpeak, no organization or anything. We just joined a CC and teamed up. It was simply for pking and not warring or anything. We would have an open CC 16 hours a day where people would join and pk together. Eventually over the we eventually stopped doing that and worked our way to become a clan over the course of a year and a half. So basically we were one of the few clans who was built from scratch from a source outside of the existing RSC clan community in that era. Really the only benefit is if you like pking, cause someone would be running the CC for most of the day.

Ah, never mind then about that part then. It's been a while so forgot some of these things with the other clans.

Had to rack my brain for a bit thinking about this stuff from so long ago, but I remember the Exodus vs Crimson Raider rivlary from RSC threads. That sounded like it was 2009 because both clans were pulling in the 50-60s and I believe Dark Invoker was Exodus' leader at the time, if I'm remembering this correctly? That should've been way before PH had a crash war with Exodus in mid 2010, because Lancealot was leading Exodus when PH had the crash war since the original founder left. PH's crash war with Crimson Raiders was in 2011 which was a while later, CR was only pulling ~40 by then. In 2011-2012 Exodus was pretty dead, they were only pulling in the 20s, look at these threads from late 2010/2011 when they fought Ascension/Poison https://forum.tip.it/topic/278062-ascension-vs-exodus/ https://forum.tip.it/topic/298878-poison-vs-exodus/ Edit: lancealot wasn't exo leader, as someone else pointed out.

Krunal930 - created the clan and built it up, he was the face of the clan Ultimair - took care of the forums and spy shit, made a lot of videos for us back then and ran the propaganda machine Wee Man - also took care of forums and spy shit, was very creative in figuring stuff out back then Hellboysjd2 - he's not in the AMA today but I should include him here because the clan wouldn't have survived without Hellboys in 2009/2010. He ran the clan more than Krunal did at certain points during those years. He was GMT+2 so he'd often be up super late for wars/PKRIs

I vaguely remember somebody named Bone Senpai??? from PH hanging around WoW in 2010/2011. Has anybody heard from them? Sounds vaguely familiar but I don't remember the person. I checked our old forums and there was an app from someone with that name. Who were some of PH's best tanks? There was a guy named Frank3332 who we nicknamed Frank the Tank after he pulled off some crazy shit in one of our wars Most dedicated mages? Hellboysjd2 I remember would also bind/blast What sort of community events did PH do outside of playing RS? We did a bunch of PvM stuff outside of PvP as well as luring. Unlike a lot of clans at the time most of us actually played RS outside of clan events. As for outside of RS it was mainly just a lot of bullshitting on TeamSpeak and IRC, I don't think we really played other games.

I think it was the backend of 2010, because I remember 2010 was when we got the most improved RSC award and we were also giving DK some beatdowns during that summer. I remember us being pretty established in the midsize clan scene by 2011.

We literally destroyed Exodus in a crash war in the latter half of 2010 hence the apology from Lancealot in the first part of the picture, I believe he was Exodus' leader at the time. I'm not sure how you don't remember that unless the timelines really don't match. RSD was also huge and never involved themselves into the multi-clan crash war/cluster fights so we never really fought them, CoR was a much bigger clan too. We had a few capped PKRIs with CoR in 2011 during the period where they were in a slump and were pulling 40-50 for a little while, I think we won once when they had a bad pull. CL I think we only fought twice in capped PKRIs late at night in 2011 since they're Australian. We stopped running open CCs after early 2010-ish so I'm assuming that's when you were in CL. If your interactions with us was mostly in 2009, it makes sense. Back then a lot of the time late night it would just be me leading 20 people around with no TeamSpeak late night so you can't really fight any organized clans with that.

1. If you could go back in time and remake PH from whatever beginnings you wanted, would you still want it to be the way it was, or would you opt for a less chaotic / more organized clan? I'd keep things the same. Krunal and I originally was just there to PK in Fally PvP worlds and get loot. The journey to becoming a clan was a fun one and I don't think I'd change anything about that. We really enjoyed crash wars back then. Other RSC clans thought that it would suck to just be involved in crashing and not have real fights, but our members actually liked that stuff which was a huge advantage for us. 2. Do you regret the lures/scams/doxxing, or do you still chalk it up to "it's only a game / it was only for shits and giggles" etc. I wasn't personally involved in doxxing other than instances where I was rooting out spies by looking up emails/other information from our forums which sometimes corresponded to irl names. So no, not in this context since I don't think I ever did anything that had real impact, not sure if what I was doing even qualifies as doxxing since I never posted info publicly. As for lures, I'm not sure since it was a part of the game. Sure, it was unethical behavior but it funded my rune sets and saved me time back then when I didn't really have a lot of time to play Runescape other than for clan wars. 3. Did Krunal ever get his g2h back? I'm sure he grinded dungeoneering back for it eventually 4. Do you think PH would've made it to 2013 if not for seeking out crash wars (i.e. by adapting and evolving into a different direction instead)? We closed because people had real life responsibilities and we didn't really have time to run a clan anymore. I don't think crash wars had much to do with anything, I always told people back then that if you didn't like crash wars then this might not be the clan for you. 5. Were there any specific clans that you looked up to or modeled yourself after when transitioning away from open cc? I think we took some inspiration from the original NH clans which were NI and RoT, but we also modeled our clan in a way where we would also participate in traditional fights like other RSC clans.

Uhh, were you involved in the clan world from 2010-2013? There was a lot of shit we were involved in during that time period, especially crash wars and the megacluster fights. I would say we were good at crash wars and getting clans to post public apologies on RSC

Havent spoken to Sal since PH closed. Spoke to Daman in 2018 ish once, he's in PH discord I think.

Biggest downie and why was it gochance? We had people who actually acted like retards so this is super hard to say lol Anyone still play solider front? Never played it what do you guys do now? I'm a software engineer at a large tech company. Started playing OSRS again in 2021, otherwise have been playing Apex Legends.

Favorite rivalry? DK may have been the longest one but I enjoyed the somewhat short crash war we had with Exalt in like 2011 or so. They managed to piss off almost all of the mid size clan world by disputing every fight result and talked a lot of shit, it resulted in nobody bothering to AC for them. They slumped and closed sometime after from what I remember. The PH VS Gen crash war started because Genesis killed Krunal for his Gravite 2h sword. Krunal will have to answer the exact details cause I wasn't there at the time. It sounds ridiculous but that's what triggered it. Scummiest stuff I was involved in was the amount of CWA luring we did in 2011, I remember we lured an Ely at one point. Our lure method was basically to recruit a couple of randoms with gear into our CC, start a safe clan war with a level 90 alt. Then our clan member on the level 90 would talk lots of shit. Then we'd pretend to trick the shit talker into a dangerous war and then kill the randoms that joined our CC for their stuff.