Grug

Thanks for all the questions guys! Was a blast seeing all the old names. I'll just you with the gem.
 

On 11/29/2020 at 1:11 AM, Yoto32 said:

I'm doing real well, started an ironman almost two years ago and I've been having the most fun on rs I ever had. What have you been up to?

I'm sure it's been mentioned in this thread before but I cbf to go back and read 9 pages of conversation. What type of clan was EH that attracted so many mature people? What set it apart from the other clans, and were there active steps taken by EH leadership to attract those kind of people or was it organic and members just sort of self-selected? It's funny, I'm pretty sure the entire clan world was in their teens back then, and teenagers aren't exactly known for their maturity.

Yea it was really just to keep up appearances, because no doubt that EH members would have been objective and restrained moderating their own topics. And that was Brad's big problem, because not only did we mostly just promote EH members, but current CLs kept joining them! Now that I think about it I think it was specifically you joining EH that prompted Brad's post. Unfortunately that was not one of the topics I saved, but it's still stuck in my mind.

I honestly just think we were seen as quite a mature clan. We did have a lot of fun, but we were respectful. 
 

47 minutes ago, Flummbullen said:

As someone that wasn't around during the period of EH, it's been really interesting to read about your experiences and, from my perspective, especially how EH continued and adapted some of the values carried across from ST. I think it's safe to say that EH became it's own thing and in many ways eclipsed the clans that came before it.

 

Not having been around for the late 2006 to 2009 era, my questions are more focused on the transition from ST to EH.

 

What were your opinions on ST closing when and how it did? Did your perspective change when you later decided to close EH?

I actually cried. From what I remember, I was quite close to becoming a council member so I was heart broken. I honestly questioned why the clan couldn't have just continued under new leadership, which leads into your next question. Yes, my perspective of ST closing definitely changed after it came time for us to make the same decision with EH.
 

What were some things from ST you valued and carried across to EH?

We definitely wanted to continue and expand upon the the ideals that ST stood for as a clan. That was something very clear from the start, we wanted to make sure we kept those values.
 

What were some things from ST you didn't like and were glad to leave in the past and change how they were done in EH?

I honestly cannot remember anything from ST that I didn't like. I loved the clan.

 

Did EH cop any grief for being a "remake", similar to how ST would get comments about the ZF past (despite there being an actual ZF-remake)? Do you have any general thoughts on the line of clans leading up to EH and of it affected anything for you?
We did cop a little bit of grief, but I think we did very well to distance ourselves from ST. We made sure that we were invite only to create a core membership base, and we did not accept any applications for a long time after we opened. We also kept our heads relatively low and just focused on building a community.

 

@Grug why has every clan you've been in closed and why is it your fault? ? Jk you know I love you. Think it shows the dedication you always had to what you signed up for!
I never ever left a clan. I was there till the very end for all of them ❤️

3 hours ago, MILAD said:

@Grug

 

 

Seeing as you're in the Australian timezone, which obviously made it difficult for you to attend events back then, I am wondering. Was it uncomfortable for you to wake up early, and how much effort did you care to put in? I ask this because I understand that in order to attend actively, you had to put in that effort many people did not have to. My follow-up question to this: Did you ever think about permanently stepping down, but still somewhat try and do as much as possible when it was more suitable for you? If so, who do you think would have been the perfect candidate to replace you? We had a tendency in EH to have between 2-3 leaders, so obviously there would have been a replacement at the time (2007-2008).

Hi Milad ❤️

PK Trips/Wars/Events were often at a very akward time where neither waking up early nor staying up was ideal. They were often too early for me to go to sleep and wake up getting enough sleep, but too late that I could stay up because they usually lasted hours on end. So the short answer is that it was EXTREMELY uncomfortable, but I didn't mind putting in the effort because of my love for EH. Putting in this effort to come to these extremely awkward events meant that the time I had to myself when I didn't have commitments to EH, I took to myself to re energize.

There were times where I thought about stepping down, but those thoughts then boosted me to try and become more active. As was mentioned earlier in the AMA (By S17 I believe), my periods of inactivity didn't mean I didn't know what was going on in the clan or didn't care about the clan, I was still trying to do a lot behind the scenes. 

I never really thought about a replacement, the great thing about the leadership system we had is that if one leader were to go inactive for a period of time, you have two other leaders who are clued into everything to pick up the slack.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Brian said:

To be a clan leader we all know you need to put a serious amount of hours into it, almost as if it was a full time job. Do any of you regret the amount of time you spent on RS during those years looking back on it now?

Most of my RS time to do with clanning was done in the late hours of the night/early hours of the morning due to being an Australian, so it didn't really affect me too much there. I do wish I spent more time doing other things when not doing clan related activities on RS though.

6 hours ago, Yoto32 said:

@Grug The Zybez Clan Discussion moderating staff was once so oversaturated with  EH members it started to become a problem as there often was enough non-EH members online to moderate EH fights. It even prompted Brad to post in the CD HQ, simply, "QUIT JOINING EH FFS". So my question is, from what you know of both EH and CD, why do you think was there such an overlap?

Mostly though I just wanted to drop by and say Hi Gruggles ❤️ Hope you're doing well.

Yoto! ❤️ I'm doing well, hope you're also doing well.

I think because of the type of clan that EH was, it attracted mature people, people who were more likely to be noticed and move up on Zybez CD. 

2 hours ago, Krystal said:

EH AMA hellllll yes.  I am so excited to see this AMA from the folks I spent some of my most enjoyable times in RS with!!  I look forward to reading through all of your responses! I apologize in advance if any of these questions have already been asked. I tried to do a quick glance through the topic to avoid repeats.

Unless otherwise specified, all of my clan-related questions are focused on when I was in EH which was 2006-2007.

 

@All:

1. Do you think @true is going overboard with the amount of questions he’s asking? I mean, good god, dude, save some questions for the rest of us. LOL.

Maybe

 

3. Brian mentioned that DI had a 13-hour PKRI with EH one time. Was this the longest PKRI that we had or is there one that comes to mind that was even longer? For each of you, I would like to know what your personal best marathon was – the longest that you stayed awake continuously for a PKRI?  Any struggles that you had? Crazy stories like having multiple bottles of pee piling up beside you as the night dragged on? ?  [If only it was that easy for us ladies…]

I believe the longest PKRI we had was with VR coming in at 17 hours.

 

4. Eternal Honour stressed maintaining a positive “honorable” image in the clan community, and one major place to do this was on RSC.  Conveniently, EH had many moderators on RSC that could assist in maintaining this image.. My question is, did you ever take advantage of our mod presence (I think there were like 5 of us at one point – I seriously almost made a pixel sig of our mod unit lmao) to help maintain this image? Such as requesting flame posts to be deleted (could’ve been against our own members or from opposing clans that would post things that made EH look bad) or even doing something like pushing to get people banned to eliminate them completely. If you did try to abuse them, were there any naughty EH mods that actually did delete posts for the sake of protecting EH’s image?

As a Senior Moderator on Zybez I never used my powers in order to protect EHs image. I think the fact that EH had so many Zybez "staffers" in the ranks shows the type of people EH attracted.
 

 

 

 

@Grug

GRUGGLES MY FAVORITE AUSSIE ❤️ 

How many pounds of vegemite do you consume on a daily basis? What the hell does vegemite even taste like? Is it sweet or salty?

That amount cannot be quantified 

And same question I gave 3lite about the name: Just curious if there was another name that we almost had. ? 

I actually have some logs of names we were going through that I could go back and have a look at ?

 

1 hour ago, Dark Invoker said:

Do you think being involved in clanning at such deep level at (assumedly) a younger age helped you out later in life? (The reason I ask is that your clan was founded upon a particular set of values that resonated with your members and ranks - something a lot of brands are doing in the 21st century to build a community / brand image)

Definitely. I actually used my experience of leading a clan in some job applications. (I never mentioned RuneScape or gaming, just that I was part of a leadership team responsible for hundreds of people)

Do you have any regrets from your clanning or playing days?

Not being able to be as active as I wanted to be. Not just enjoying the game for what it was.

Any good / funny stories of how Runescape effected your lives back then? (playing so much and being so commited to a clan was a full time gig)

I learned a lot about fish and ores that I never would have lmao.

 

19 minutes ago, Mk 17 said:

Was it true that members in EH were striked for using vulgar language and not posting on the forums with proper grammar? 

No

4 minutes ago, The End said:

How did you strike a balance between allowing members to have a sense of humor and policing certain rules/guidelines? Any funny stories that you remember on the top of your head while in EH? 

Rules and guidelines were more for public. I can tell you, we got pretty rowdy at times in our Ventrilo. Many many drunken nights singing karaoke.

35 minutes ago, Secret Agent said:

When I was in EH the most frustrating thing was the "no dragging rule" that clans exploited when they fought us -- how did this rule come to be and what were your thoughts about it?

 

Who was EH best caller and why was it not Milad?

This was always an unspoken rule between clans when fighting. We just refused to drop to that level in order to try and win a fight.

8 minutes ago, J0ey said:

would you ever consider reopening eh

As a community clan? Possibly. I have no interest in the current clan world in terms of PVP though.

3 minutes ago, Trevor said:

@Grug Toss us a Twitch highlight

https://www.twitch.tv/averagegrug/clip/StormyBoredSalmonNerfBlueBlaster

https://www.twitch.tv/averagegrug/clip/TangentialVastRutabagaDansGame

6 minutes ago, true said:

Thoughts on @MILAD ❤️

❤️

3 minutes ago, Flukejiver said:

Tempest obviously ?

Oh *Ahem* Yes, Tempest.

6 minutes ago, Ssj said:

Most memorable EH fight?
For me, our first victory against DI.
Worst EH official?

There were no bad EH officials, they wouldn't have been officials otherwise ?

Biggest regret in EH?
Not being able to be more active toward the end of EH's existence.

6 minutes ago, true said:

@Vanuckle

 

If you had led EH instead of the clan closing, what would have been your plan of action? Do you think you would have caved on any of EH's values (ex: spies)?

I think in order for EH to have survived in what we saw the clan world developing into, we would have definitely had to cave on some our of values. It was getting harder and harder to be competitive in fights while upholding our values and fights were getting longer and longer with clans simply "surviving" in order to claim victory when the other clan gave up chasing. For me, I didn't want to see us cave on any of these values and this is why my contribution to the decision was that we should close.

14 minutes ago, Eric said:

That clan was full of nice people. 

 

Do you think there is place for honour / No Honour in the current clan scene?

I'm not sure I can really answer this question as I've not really kept up with the clan scene. 

14 minutes ago, Eric`` said:

Hardest decision outside of the one to close you all ever had to make?

This is a good question. Thinking back, I can't really think of one specific decision that was hard for us to make. My memory is pretty terrible, but it was always a difficult decision on whether to end a fight or not. One thing we always managed to do in EH was stay true to our values, and this meant that there were many fights that we lost and had to call off returning that we more than likely would have won had we ditched our values and joined in on the tactics that we thought were dishonourable. 

13 minutes ago, Eric`` said:

Least favorite clan to fight

Too many to name... Lol jks. Anytime we had to come up against a clan who just didn't care at all about "honour" was a difficult fight. 

12 minutes ago, Flukejiver said:

If you had to join a current clan, who would it be and why?

No idea. 

10 minutes ago, Eric`` said:

What was the most defining moment of eh?

For me, EH's defining moment was simply EH's existence. We managed to exist for a long time in a clan world that didn't match the values that we ourselves held. We kept our values strong and never gave into temptation to just follow the crowd in order to gain a cheap victory.

10 minutes ago, Flukejiver said:

What were the biggest strengths/weakness of EH has a whole?

I'd say EH's biggest strength was activity and community. We weren't just a clan who went out and hunted other clans, we had a very successful community with community events every week. It was a great clan to be apart of.

As for weaknesses... Numbers I guess? We tried to keep the clan small enough that we still had a great community, but big enough that we could still compete with the big boys. It was a tough balance to keep.

5 minutes ago, true said:

What were your thoughts on Nullusion opening a clan (Vengeance) as EH closed? Did you keep up with it? Did you think it would succeed? 

 

Do you keep up with his current clan, Deathrow? If so, what do you think about DR as a clan and the success he's led them to in P2P? 

 

How would you compare current day Null to the one that was in EH?

From what I recall, I remember discussions being had to make sure that Vengeance was it's only clan, and not simply just a rename (ZFL anyone?). 

I've not kept up with the current clan world our seen to much of Null to be able to compare to EH days. I'm sure he's amazing though ❤️

4 minutes ago, Trevor said:

MISSED YOU

I'm alive! Im a big time twitch streamer now! (Lol jks, I'm still a noob)

4 minutes ago, true said:

What is your all-time favorite EH victory?

What was the biggest loss in EH's history?

What made Islamia a great leader?

What were your personal biggest strengths/weaknesses?

What are the biggest strengths and weakness of everyone else you're doing this AMA with?
 

What is your all-time favorite EH victory?
It's really hard to say, every victory had some sort of meaning behind it. In the early days, it was a great sense of accomplishment to get out there and still being able to hang with the best, even with such a small member base. I'd definitely have to say that one of the most memorable victories for me was the first time we defeated DI in a run in.

What was the biggest loss in EH's history?
I can't really recall one single loss as the biggest loss in history, this all happened a very long time ago and I've drunk far too much alcohol since those days. I will say that toward the end of EH's existence, losses seemed to hurt that much more. We could see the direction the clan world was heading in, and it was one that we didn't really wish to be apart of. We always strived to stay true to our values as a clan and that meant losing some fights that we otherwise would have won had we just given into the pressures of the clan world and did what everyone else was doing

What made Islamia a great leader?
Islamia was (is) a seriously intelligent guy. He was always calm and always had something to add. I was seriously lucky to lead alongside Broski and Islamia for so long.

What were your personal biggest strengths/weaknesses?
I felt like I had pretty good organisation and was well respected within the clan. During my time in the clan world, I sacrificed a lot in order to help out whichever clan I was in at the time. Being an Australian, this meant staying/waking up and ungodly hours in order to attend events, whether that be wars/pkris or just community events. My biggest weakness, also goes in hand with my strength, keeping active within the clan was hard while trying to hold down a full time job.

What are the biggest strengths and weakness of everyone else you're doing this AMA with?
There are too many to list. I was lucky to have a team of guys and girls that always had each others backs and were willing to help out where ever necessary, it's what made EH great. The sense of community within the clan was something that always made me proud of what we had created.

4 minutes ago, true said:

for 3lite and Grug:

 

How do you think EH would have been if Trevor was given leader as opposed to closing?

This is something that I had never really thought about. Our fear was the direction the clan world was heading in and EH's ability to be able to be successful in that environment. The biggest fear for myself was to log back into RuneScape years down the track and find that Eternal Honour had not stayed true to its values and was just like every other clan out there.
 

4 minutes ago, Flukejiver said:

@ everyone

 

What's your opinion on the current clan world? 

I have no idea, once Eternal Honour closed I stopped playing RuneScape and stopped paying attention to the clan world. (Other than my duties as a Senior Mod on RSC)

Lord Grug

Hey everyone, my RuneScape ingame name was Lord Grug. I was one of the founders of EH after the closure of ST. I was Grand Officer from opening in 06 until our eventual closure in 09. I started my journey in the clan world in Rune Mob back on classic when pretty much all clans used Avidgamers as their website. I eventually ended up in the original DS before moving to ZF after it's closure. After the closure of ZF I joined ST was one of the founding members before eventually founding EH after the closure of ST.

Being apart of all these great clans made my time playing RuneScape really enjoyable.