COVID Vaccine

[Killaz 60]

No, yes

 

I'm one of the last to get it in my province, they're doing the clinically vulnerable and old age first decreasing the age gap day by day. I think they're at 75+ years old right now so I'll probably expect my turn sometime in june/July 

 

I'm getting it because I want to travel and cause I care about my family and don't want them to die 

 

I'll probably get the moderna/Pfizer they aren't giving the AZ one to under 55 here and I don't believe J&J is approved for use yet in my country or there isn't a supply of it yet 

Edited April 10, 2021 by Killaz

[Frenchfry 14]

Take whichever you can get as soon as you can get it

[Pengy 109]

3 hours ago, Kuraminha said:

That subject is fully regulated by the most corrupt mafia in the human history, the entire basis for it is flawed since day one

What do you mean by this statement? Even if for a moment we pretend that vaccines are ineffective at the problem they intend to solve, your statement implies that you believe that human suffering and death due to infectious disease is acceptable and justified.

 

3 hours ago, Kuraminha said:

they know it but they profit from it faking the whole data behind its alleged success and hiding the most obscure, mortal, inhumane, dangerous market behind their products (not only vaccines tbh).

It's hard to argue that the efficacy of vaccines in general is a hoax when they are the primary reason for the eradication of smallpox (~300 million deaths over the 20th century) and eradication of wild polio in all but Pakistan and Afghanistan.

[Rob 19]

I think it's pretty stupid to pass it up, but a lot of people feel some type of way about it.

[Kura 373]

8 minutes ago, Pengy said:

What do you mean by this statement? Even if for a moment we pretend that vaccines are ineffective at the problem they intend to solve, your statement implies that you believe that human suffering and death due to infectious disease is acceptable and justified.

 

That would be true my dear but only if I accepted the premise that without vaccines infectious diseases would cause death and suffering, which even tho it may sound presumptuous, with due respect, I don't. You see, precisely because I want human suffering and death to cease just like you my fren that I am against vaccines, since it's been proven their enormous numbers of adverse reactions reported (tons of papers peer reviewed included), the insanely and subnotified death tolls from vaccines alone, how they've been spreading viruses that supposedly have been gone (false) and how plumping and sanitation in urban areas filled with rats and other vermin stopped spreading diseases (something which even the father of modern epidemiology said so). But those are known facts to the independent medical community that doesn't fit government and pharmaceutical lobbies. 

 

21 minutes ago, Pengy said:

It's hard to argue that the efficacy of vaccines in general is a hoax when they are the primary reason for the eradication of smallpox (~300 million deaths over the 20th century) and eradication of wild polio in all but Pakistan and Afghanistan.

But then again, my fren, to agree with you I would need to accept that vaccines eradicated smallpox, polio and other diseases, and although I respect your great contribution to the topic I wouldn't go down this path myself. Most independent doctors and specialists I've had the opportunity to come across agree that although sanitation ended this diseases, like in other cases, the smallpox vaccine took the credit, with some other diseases never really being eradicated but rebranded with other names in the first place. Looking into these works and papers I've made my mind on this but not without any resistance, being skeptical myself.

 

I wouldn't force you or anyone else on agreeing with me because those are some bold statements right there, I concede. Would be cruel to just throw them out of the window and expect not to give any help or explanation I can give right after. And for your respect, honesty and patience in reading these sort of not very expected comments I thank you, Pengy. :) 

[Woot 361]

I got my first dose last week.

[Hoangboy 30]

Haven't gotten mine yet. Still thinking about it.

[Pope 1]

Nope, haven't been able to.

 

Yes, I have a brain.

[Michelle 109]

Yes, received both doses

[Pengy 109]

37 minutes ago, Kuraminha said:

That would be true my dear but only if I accepted the premise that without vaccines infectious diseases would cause death and suffering, which even tho it may sound presumptuous, with due respect, I don't. You see, precisely because I want human suffering and death to cease just like you my fren that I am against vaccines, since it's been proven their enormous numbers of adverse reactions reported (tons of papers peer reviewed included), the insanely and subnotified death tolls from vaccines alone, how they've been spreading viruses that supposedly have been gone (false) and how plumping and sanitation in urban areas filled with rats and other vermin stopped spreading diseases (something which even the father of modern epidemiology said so). But those are known facts to the independent medical community that doesn't fit government and pharmaceutical lobbies. 

You wrote that the basis for vaccines is false. However, the basis for vaccines (regardless of whether in reality they help/hurt/etc.) is to end disease. Based on your most recent remarks, it is clear that your intended stance is that the basis for vaccines is positive, however, you don't believe that they are effective and further believe that they are actually dangerous. There is no doubt that there have been some dangerous vaccines in the past whether that be due to application in inappropriate individuals, manufacturing issues, or other reasons. However, generalizing these incidents are inappropriate due the varying biological mechanisms of individual vaccines.

 

37 minutes ago, Kuraminha said:

But then again, my fren, to agree with you I would need to accept that vaccines eradicated smallpox, polio and other diseases, and although I respect your great contribution to the topic I wouldn't go down this path myself. Most independent doctors and specialists I've had the opportunity to come across agree that although sanitation ended this diseases, like in other cases, the smallpox vaccine took the credit, with some other diseases never really being eradicated but rebranded with other names in the first place. Looking into these works and papers I've made my mind on this but not without any resistance, being skeptical myself.

It is broadly accepted that sanitation has been a critical part of modern disease prevention . However, we can remove sanitation as a confounding variable if we examine more recent research that has been conducted in the setting of modern sanitation. In such studies we still find vaccines important in disease prevention. Recent outbreaks of measles in the United States (which overwhelmingly affected intentionally unvaccinated individuals) is a prime example of this. 

 

35 minutes ago, Kuraminha said:

I wouldn't force you or anyone else on agreeing with me because those are some bold statements right there, I concede. Would be cruel to just throw them out of the window and expect not to give any help or explanation I can give right after. And for your respect, honesty and patience in reading these sort of not very expected comments I thank you, Pengy. 🙂

Happy to engage in a healthy discussion about the merits of such an important topic 🙂

Edited April 10, 2021 by Pengy

[NarNumbers 193]

got first dose of pzfizer, 2nd dose in june.

 

I'm still eggman

[Nanne30 324]

Goverment is giving  the vaccione here periodically to the population the eldest go 1st and so on.  Ill get mine eventually.

[lollipoparty 4]

Based on current data, Pfizer one is the safest. Best of luck. 

[Mk 17 149]

Not yet but yea probably since they’re gonna have a local vaccine passport thing so may as well aint i 

[Josh 137]

12 hours ago, Kuraminha said:

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8 hours ago, Kuraminha said:

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I'm against all kinds of vaccines for medical reasons after being for years what they call "a vaxxer" myself.

So you're against vaccines for medical reasons...Which infers you're for them for non-medical reasons? That's not even a thing. 

Or, you're unable to take most vaccines due to a pre-existing medical condition, which is totally different. 

I also don't think anyone uses the term "vaxer" outside a few facebook groups. 

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That subject is fully regulated by the most corrupt mafia in the human history, the entire basis for it is flawed since day one, they know it but they profit from it faking the whole data behind its alleged success and hiding the most obscure, mortal, inhumane, dangerous market behind their products (not only vaccines tbh).

Go on, source it. 

Why do pharmaceutical companies post negative clinical trial data then, if they could just manipulate results as you baselessly state? Why would they waste so much time, resource and money? By your logic, there should never be a failed trial.  Did Merck just stop their Covid vaccine candidate for the banter? 

 

As for regulation being corrupt, you realise where you live the regulator for vaccines is the same for any product, both prescription and OTC. By your logic, you shouldn't even take paracetamol or ibuprofen as they've been cleared by the same regulator. 

 

Are you aware how clinical trials work? It's one of the most transparent things going. It's far more transparant than the pesticides and chemicals used on the food you eat. Here are the three largest vaccine manufacturers:

GSK: https://www.gsk-studyregister.com/en/

Merck: https://clinicaltrials.merckgroup.com/en/

Sanofi: https://www.sanofi.com/en/science-and-innovation/clinical-trials-and-results

Or there's a wider range of companies participating in open data if you want to go beyond vaccines.

 

As for agriculture, progress only started to be made in 2018 and it's nothing on the scale of the Pharmaceutical Industry, so I'm sure you're only eating home grown vegetables?

https://croplife.org/data-transparency/

 

How about we start with a simple task to support your claim:

• Go and find a clinical trial from one of the links above
• Post which elements are "flawed" and what is statistically insignificent
• I'll reply to your evidence

 

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Btw I find it amazing to see that people here can bring such discussion up without losing the respect due to others. Usually I see everyone bashing on each other on this when we should actually all come together against those who exploit us all. So yeah lol nice to know 🙂

Why do you think people should respect the view of anti-vaxers? Their views are dangerous. Science isn't based on opinion, it's based on fact. Ignorance of facts are nothing to celebrate.

 

If you got in a car and drove it without ever taking a lesson I'd also look down on you. I'm not going to respect your opinion "Well it's my decision to get in the car and drive it" because you could hit someone innocent and cause harm to them. Ignorantly refusing to take a vaccination is more-or-less the same; its wilful ignorance that can harm and have a detrimental impact on others through no fault of their own. 

 

How are you being exploited by a vaccine? Again, another baseless claim. 

 

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You can PM me to have a lil chat about it since I think discussing this publicly would and usually start an unnecessary fuss, some fellows may take it personally and it may sound disrespectful, which is never the intention. After all we're all trying to save everyone else altho we may disagree on how/why. ^^

I'm ok thanks, I'm happy to do it in open.  I don't take your views personally, you're in a different continent and have no hope of travelling to be anywhere close to me. I do feel sorry for your compatriots tho, of which more than 4k are dying per day due to a combination of ignorance from enough of the public, egged on by the Government. However, those family members of people who have died have every right to take your view personally.

 

It's not about disagreeing, you can't really disagree with evidence. You can dislike the evidence, but you can't disagree. 

If you said you won't take the vaccine on religious views, I would disagree with that because that's an opinion. It has nothing to do with the truth, with the fact. 

 

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(ps I find myself miles away from being a conservative, a rightist, a "trumpist" or suchlike).

Trump came out in favour of getting vaccinated, so it's obvious you're not. 

 

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That would be true my dear but only if I accepted the premise that without vaccines infectious diseases would cause death and suffering, which even tho it may sound presumptuous, with due respect, I don't.

Well it depends on the disease, not all are painful.  But let's take one seeing as you provided a blanket statement. Polio, a disease easily preventable to the point it was one of the success stories of 2020; being eradicated in Africa.

 

 

So are you saying this person who contracted Polio is not suffering? Or how about actually listening to the other hundred or thousand first hand accounts of people who've actually contracted the disease. Are they all in on the conspiracy?

 

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You see, precisely because I want human suffering and death to cease just like you my fren that I am against vaccines, since it's been proven their enormous numbers of adverse reactions reported (tons of papers peer reviewed included),

Obviously you don't; see above.

 

As per your comment on adverse events - yes that exists for every single any medicine in the world. However, name me a single product that has resulted in more deaths as a result of adverse events than from the prevention or treatment they have caused. 

 

Finding a peer reviewed article on adverse events is pointless, because they're all disclosed in the clinical trials. If something unexpected happens then you can report the adverse event and it will be investigated and recommendation for Rx will change if required (e.g MHRA changing the recommended age group for AZ covid vaccine). Have you ever taken paracetamol? Do you worry that you might urinate blood?

 

You're basically saying if there's a car crash and someone is wearing a seat belt, then it's the seatbelt's fault they died. Sure, you can probably find a few cases where a seat belt has been the cause that someone has unfortunately died, but that doesn't mean we should all stop wearing seatbelts when driving a car because the benefits vastly outweigh the cons.

 

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the insanely and subnotified death tolls from vaccines alone, how they've been spreading viruses that supposedly have been gone (false) and how plumping and sanitation in urban areas filled with rats and other vermin stopped spreading diseases (something which even the father of modern epidemiology said so

Yes, about the only thing you've said that's correct. Sanitation has played a huge part in preventing disease, but it's also totally separate to human healthcare and they're not dependant on one another. The more preventions in place the less the spread of disease, and sanitation is just one weapon in our armoury to fight against preventable disease. 

 

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But those are known facts to the independent medical community that doesn't fit government and pharmaceutical lobbies. 

What? 

Source me a single government or pharmaceutical lobby group who are proposing we erode sanitation and live in faeces and rats.

 

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Most independent doctors and specialists I've had the opportunity to come across agree that although sanitation ended this diseases, like in other cases, the smallpox vaccine took the credit, with some other diseases never really being eradicated but rebranded with other names in the first place

Just because someone says they're a doctor or a specialist in infectious disease on Facebook, doesn't mean they are. 

 

Sanitation helped fight against smallpox and polio, the vaccine delivered the end result. Sanitation helped suppress, but it could never eradicate. 

 

Which disease was never eradicated and just rebranded? Only two diseases have ever been declared eradicated globally. 

 

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Looking into these works and papers I've made my mind on this but not without any resistance, being skeptical myself.

Please share

 

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I wouldn't force you or anyone else on agreeing with me because those are some bold statements right there, I concede. Would be cruel to just throw them out of the window and expect not to give any help or explanation I can give right after.

Why would anyone agree with your random claims with no evidence?

Why would anyone agree that Polio is a nice disease to have and doesn't cause suffering?

Etc.

 

The only reason I bothered to respond is because it would be cruel to let you continue, and dangerous to let you continue to post lies. If you're going to bother responding, at least give me something of substance to respond to. I've left you enough questions above to respond to, hopefully this time with evidence.