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Shamanrox? I haven't seen that name in years lol

Ez answer, they don’t like him.

I haven’t actually talked about my time in Downfall or how it played out from my perspective. I’m not looking to take credit or put anybody down with what I’m about to say but it’s 2021, I don’t give a fuck about politics or trying to earn peoples respect on this game. In terms of running Downfall? I was the only viable option at the time, I was initially council. You weren’t in the picture until the clan was established and Devin wasn’t involved for like 6/12 months every year. Jack periodically had to go inactive, I was the one who picked Jack to co-lead with me. Which I feel left me to run the clan with Adam, until he bailed to Df2, so yeah I ran it. Any of the above can feel free to dispute that, but I know you won’t. I was always the outsider in the clan. I had a great relationship with Jack, still do, but I understood that there was a big gap between me and the younger generation, plus I wasn’t old school Downfall. So I set goals, what I did was have Jack be our head leader, our frontline guy to bring everyone together and I was simply his main advisor and the guy who would look after the clan when he was inactive. I definitely surpassed those goals, it’s quite evident with the success we had and the foundation we built, which is still visible to this day. I’ll say this prememptively, I was totally against bringing the clan to osrs. That’s a fact. I remember having many arguments about it in staff meetings. I told you guys I didn’t want the clan to fail and the amount of work to make us successful in osrs would be astronomical. I was the last person on board for it, that’s true, but I did get on board because I listen to you guys and sacrifice. Out of every single official, I cared the most about the clan. What happened when we went to osrs? Adam left to df2, devin goes inactive and I’m left fighting against Eos who wants to beef with us, who have a severely large start on us and unfinished business from the bannings. It played out exactly how I thought it would, which is why I was hesitant to make such a big leap. Like you guys know me, I’m not a natural gambler, I like a controlled, predictable experience, or at least one where I can manipulate the outcome. I hate chaos, however I think the natural retardation and chaos we had in Downfall, really made me happy to be with you guys lol. We leveraged our position perfectly, just like our entire time in osrs. This isn’t my ama so I’m going to fast forward to what Devin’s talking about and fill in the gaps. You guys lied to me and betrayed me when you gave me some bullshit logs to try and get wee_man off zybez. You fucked me on that and comprimised my trust with you guys for no reason. Then Devin did a great job with...I don’t remember if it was Azteka or the other one. But we had 2 spies, both of them friends. The one Devin was working with, got exposed as a spy. During this time you brought me into the loop about the other one. If I had known that there was already a spy who had been caught(as usual you guys fucking me over)I would of never did what I did. But it’s disingenius to think I did it for gold. The gold was the cherry on top, my plan was to crumble the trust of their ranks internally by making Scott think it was one of them. But let’s keep this 100. If someone has no idea ur spying, comes up to you and says, hey I think ur spying. What do you say bro? No. This guy said yes, Scott had fucking nothing except suspicion from the relationship off the first spy he caught which I had no involvement with. I actually had a great chat with The_End about this shit a couple weeks ago, it just further cemented my stance on the subject. Devin will say one thing, I’ll say the other, you guys took Devins side, The_End has the full story, not that it matters at this point. I’m not holding grudges over the politics, but the fact that you either don’t know the full story or won’t say it, is rather weird. Reflecting on it now, it blows my mind how insecure Devin was of my position in Downfall. Because that’s what this all boils down to. He sat around 24/7 mesmorizing weirdo scenario’s of me trying to kick him from the clan or lessen his links to it. I never once went to Jack and said hey, Devins gotta go bro, never crossed my mind. But for years Devin sat around transfixed, emotional about me, whispering into peoples ears everyday lmao. I’ll put this on the record, I don’t give a fuck about Devin, but it always irks me when I see him doing shit like this because I don’t feel I ever put him in a position to fear for his power or position in the community. Lastly, If I gave a rank to someone in Downfall, they earned it. Mohd and shit coming to me begging to rank you all the time and I said No. Tim has to show me activity and commitment then we’re good to go, look how it ended up for you? Look at how it ended up for The_end, I didn’t suck your cocks or beg you to take ranks, I made you earn them and with that respect that was built you became permanent fixtures in the clan. I really look into that psychological shit, how peoples minds work and how to get the best out of them. Do you respect something more that was given to you or was earned? From my vast experience when you’re Tim and given a rank you bail or aren’t invested in it, your clan history shows that bro. But when you’re deeply involved and rooted to a cause, I get the best out of you. Was that me being in control? Absolutely, but it’s standards that we were looking for and it was my mentality to be not just better, but the best, which is what my greatest contributions to Downfall were. I’m fine with people playing the politics, back stabbing me, fucking up good things, blaming their own fuck ups on me, because that’s what a leader does is take responsibility and try to fix things for the betterment of the team. I’d also be in the wrongto say I didn’t deserve a lot of the criticism, I definitetly had my own gaps. I agree I’m not the leader type, I’m the guy in the background micromanaging things and evaluating with the leader. I’ve simply been a leader so many times because of the lack of them available. Which I think you can understand the sentiment there bro. I think Jack was the only leader we had, I don’t think you were the guy, nor me. Jack was a bit of me and you, making him the perfect fit. He’s actually one of the most under rated guys I’ve ever worked with. Right after Evizu, I’d put Jack. I got love for you bro, always have always will, brothers don’t always see eye to eye, but you know I’ve had your back for the past decade, that shit won’t change. Sorry for the hijack bro!

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Okay... Everything I’m discussing is prior to you being in Corruption? If Rob was inactive in Cor in 2006-2007(roughly) when I was in it and inactive during your tenure(I’m going to assume this), then from your personal experience, what did Rob do to gain your respect and the respect of the clan world? You heard from word of mouth that 3 years ago he used to be relevant so that’s why he’s respected? Like I’m not trying to be condescending here, but everything I remember about Rob was a fuck up. He got involved with jmods, people started spamming the worlds log ins to riot to fight against Jagex for clan support and then the wilderness was destroyed. Sure, you say Corruption, I say Robtokill. I can acknowledge that, but I definitely don’t respect him, besides his longevity in Corruption, which for years was detrimental to the clans growth, what did Rob do? Did he orchestrate the end of the crash war with Anarchy? Was he the one who put Bjcal into Anarchy to edate Chronic24 and have her spy for Corruption and essentially retire Chronic lol? That might of been Keith lol. There’s certain facts that can’t be overlooked. Rob never had the care level or spent any time with me personally or any of my best friends in Corr, he was a ghost. He seemed more interested in Zybez then his own clans forums(hypocritical for me to say I know lmao). When I talk about Rob, just like I talk about anybody and I take it seriously, I speak from 1 on 1 interactions or achievements. I’m not anti-corruption, I’m not biased against the clan, I was one of their core members in their prime and I didn’t leave the clan, I got kicked from it by him. Perhaps I’m biased about it sure, but I think I’m more biased at how I saw so much potential and opportunties squandered by one of the worst clan leaders of all time. No idea who you would talk to that knows me personally or about my time in Corruption. I think I mentioned it previously that I was an outsider in the clan because of my clan history. Robby Ronal, Andrewdabest, Thomasc420, Magicarrow28, Radcl, 735 Russ, Zacinblack1 and Keith were really the only friends or people that I interacted with daily. Respected more then Ghjjf, no one. Respected more then Rob? How much do you want to read lol? Evizu definitely, Cera S6, I definitely always respected Df leadership more(everyone except lego lmao, lego I would compare to Rob lmao!), King Cj of course, Germs22, Kidefence, livinlarge, Bow even though I really dislike him, Broski, like do I have to list the majority of the clan world, his lordship. Like what are we basing respect on, are we mixing it with being iconic? This is obviously all opinionated and you’re not wrong I’m biased. But I think that all of those individuals listed are strong candidates to be more respected then Rob. That’s a fair point. Longevity in ranks meant a hell of a lot more then, then it did in the decade that followed. Yeah, some guys hold onto power and never let it go. I do remember how a whole team of officials could agree, but the leader would over rule them. It’s just dissappointing reflecting on it, I hold Keith and Andy in high regards as leaders, it was a shame that out of the 3 of them, the weakest one who was the least involved had all of the power. Not to be argumenative, but you definitely insinuated that it was unique in the volume of officials it would lose. To quote “ but the difference is mostly their officials stuck it out and didn't mass leave. THAT's the difference. “ Which once again I will disagree with. Vr are the kings when it comes to mass leaves. I’ll drop this point though because we’re just nitpicking at this point. Percisely, about the relationship and how they used one another to their own means. You’re really trying to make me a believer! I’m sorry, but when I have more respect for La Hire44, then I do for Robtokill, I don’t know what to tell you bro. Like okay, I’ll put Robtokill over Chronic24, he was more respected then Joey! The more I think about it, I think you’re talking about being iconic more then respect. Because I start thinking about General Shop and Stephen22888, do I respect them? Not really, both were/are my friends, but terrible god damn leaders. Iconic? Absolutely, We can go back to Demonic Legends, World 3, Mystic Knights, The Dynasty and others. So I guess it comes down to how do you measure respect? Once again I’ll point to you mentioning you joined Corruption after the wilderness was replaced with Bh. I don’t recall Corr ever coming back from that and being relevant again, nor from my experience which happened prior to yours having Rob active in the clan. Perhaps you had many private conversations with him or some type of insight I don’t which built a respect for the man. He was always just a raging kangaroo asshole to me lol. Just to revert to my natural troll self, when Bh was established, Corr lacked the ability to evolve to the climate. Coupled with mass leaves and constant inner turmoil, Corruption to the best of my knowledge was never a top 5 clan from 2008 onwards. Corr slumped, Tt, Eh, Eos, Vr, Df all went on the rise? Di too? Can’t forget Rsd. By 2010, Corruption was barely in the top 10. Back to being serious though, yeah retrospect is such a bitch lol. It all seems so simple, but when you’re in the moment, emotions hot, it’s totally different. Thanks for the discussion and taking the time to share your thoughts! We agree on the most important parts.

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I totally disagree with your opinion that he was universally respected. The majority of the clan disliked him and you won’t find anyone outside of Corruption that will ever say they respected how Rob conducted himself or even liked him. The only respected thing was his longevity, which I agree with. You talk about influence, but when you lose 3 generations of leadership b2b2b, doesn’t that speak about a lack of influence and respect? The leader remains the leader, everyone below him rotates out, doesn’t speak of a lack of leadership? Like you’re trying to portray that everyone else was the issue, they lacked loyalty? Perhaps Rob and Tom were so detrimental that nobody could be bothered to stay and be constantly undermined by them? Oo we’ve fought for ten hours, Toms been here for half an hour and wants to leave, time to end thanks for coming guys! Look forward to a topic in 3 days when Rob decides to grace us with his presence, talking about a lack of dedication from everyone except himself and Tom! Don’t worry about replying, not like Rob will read it or even give a shit. Good talk Rob, see you next month! I have lots of experience as a member and as a rank in countless clans. Seen it all, literally all of it. I don’t agree with the sentiment that Corr was unique in losing it’s leadership. Vr and Eos had a ton of turnover in the ranks. In terms of Vr, it was what fueled the clan to the heights it achieved, the ambition we had in Vr has only ever been surpassed by Rot. Vr in my opinion had far more mass leavings, slumps, changes in leadership then Corr ever did. Corr kept Rob, Vr lost Stephen, General shop and Viper1500. I sort of agree with your point about Tom being able to outlast everyone, but I’m going to put it another way. Have you considered that he sabatoged everyone and everything he percieved as a threat to his power because he was insecure? I definitely agree Rob was the enabler though. I totally agree about Andy. But this is what aggravates me when I talk about Corr. I can make a list of officials, 80% of them will hate Rob and Tom. Why didn’t they all just get together and drop an ultimatum on them? Listen we run the clan, you guys are inactive and out of touch. We respect the time you put into the clan, but we need you to stop undermining us and the progress we’re making here. We’re the majority, we do all the work, we want your input, we don’t want your interference anymore. Wouldnt’t that of made sense? That’s why I have to believe that the leadership was clique like and fractured, which is what enabled the two weakest people in leadership to maintain power and ruin the clan. I would even speculate that Tom instigated a lot of it to keep it easier for him to maintain his influence.

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Lmao, I saw that too Grats bro but wdf you play rs lol.....?

What people don’t realize is there has been an ongoing assault on our social norm’s, religions and society. The constant propaganda pumped out by the media has been disgusting. Remember the kids wearing maga hats, accused by cnn for being racists? Then when the videos started to come out exposing the spin that the liberal media had laid out was false, what happened then? Nothing, there was no reprecussions, the media just doubled their efforts. We saw adults use racial slurs, verbal abuse and threats against children. It was justified because the kids were white and the people laying out the assault were black. Why was it when the media thought that the white kids did it, it was news worthy, but when it’s adults attacking children for their skin color, it’s totally fine? Because it doesn’t fit their narrative. Which is absolutely disgraceful. You have people constantly on msnbc, cnn and nbc comparing the president to Hitler. Throwing around outright hideous comparsions to the holocaust. Saying that there’s an ongoing genocide against black people in America, pushing racial tensions, every single police shooting of a minority is systemtic racism. If a police officer dies, no one gives a fuck, if a criminal dies, thousands of vultures descend upon the scene to feast on the morsels. We have occupations, month long riots, shut downs and draonic lockdowns. Do we remember Seattle? How the city was taken over and occupied by domestic terrorists? But now People are shocked at the lack of security and policing? Yet you just voted in a President who is for defunding the police. His entire parties premise this election was to ruin our law and order system. Now they have the audacity to blame the police for today lol? The police need to go on strike, to show society exactly how vital they are to us. We need to appreciate what we have and preserve it, build upon the fundation, the constitution, not tear it all down like the Democrats want. I hope that this is a wake up call, that both sides can break the rules and that we all need to see how wrong we’ve been for allowing the assault on the country to occur. The democrats didn’t accept Trump as the president, but I’m willing to accept Biden as the president. But after years of attack by the media against conservatives and society, this is the by product of it.

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Couple of things... In my opinion we were the #1 clan in the game at our peak. DF was on the decline and we were on the rise. My suspicion as a core member was we had weak pussies in leadership which were holding us back. Throughout my history I’ve single handedly blamed Rob and Tom for Corruptions ruination. Thanks for confirming it. I agree Andy was Corruptions best leader. However I think he and Keith also failed us all as leaders. By allowing Runescapes biggest ass clowns to implode the clan. I felt that Rob snd Tom offered nothing to the clan. Rob would appear every two weeks, make some topic in announcements calling us all weak and undedicated pieces of shit, then he’d go mia for another two weeks then perform the same jerk off instructions. Why the fuck did we let Tom who was absolutely worthless, some inactive moron from a dead timezone, dictate how the best Est clan in the game operates? You say Rob was highly regarded, but I never saw that in my entire time in Corr, if anything Rob was a Paraiah. There would be a group of us playing Tribal wars together, Keith would just openly talk shit about Rob and Tom to us(us being rads, me, magicarrow, da masta420, to name a few. I feel that Corr’s leadership was incredibly clique like. I also felt that I was right at the pinnacle of it’s demise. Rob made another topic flaming people and I took it personally. I called that pussy out on his bullshit. Which resulted in me being guested inmediately by Tom. Right after that, Eric left/removed and it all went downhill from there, Rads to Di. I think you and Lukas were the last ones to be out of the Corruption equation. Which makes me wonder, look at all of us, the people who made Corruption the best clan in the game, all used up and spit out by the biggest retards to ever lead a top clan. Who actually instilled the power to Tom? Why didn’t Keith or Andy over rule that vermin? Why did Corr allow him to implode in my opinion the best clan of all time? Time for some real drama though, I was always an outsider in Corr, but Vr is home to me lol. I’m not sure if you were in Vr at the time for this stuff or you came after it happened. But there was a time when I was trial warlord and Tj had got exposed for leaking to Df(I know you’re going to ask me which time lmao). But he leaked terrible shit, private information, clan internal drama, trash talking members and officials. Shit that if anyone had been caught doing would not only get them kicked, but banned. Tj somehow was never punished or demoted. I took this shit very personally, I called him out for it. When it came to the next round of promotions, Hugo got warlord over me, which was a major insult to me, the man can’t even speak English. When council promotins came up, Luck_z got it over me, which once again was a major insult. Which ratdick piece of shit in Vr was it going against my game of thrones Vr style lmao? Lastly to connect to current times. I don’t know if you remember Brian289 in Vr? He was a chill guy, echoed a bit, I thought quite average in our clan at the time. Would it surprise you that not only did he becomes Rot’s leader, but he ended up being what a lot of the current generation of Runescape players think to be the goat when it comes to being a walord? Personally I never saw it coming and I still find it hard to believe lol.

4 if you’re in cor, 9 if you aren’t.