Bunty

Thank you Tempest for allowing me to reminisce on my time as leader in DF, even if my memory failed me on some of the questions. It was great to look back on everything. I appreciate all of the questions and interest. As for current DF, they will make their own mark and hopefully have the opportunity to discuss all the cool things they accomplished during their time as I have been able to. I have nothing but faith in them as their story goes on.

 

I also wanted to mention to @true that despite how everything ended with DF that I appreciate all that you put into it during your time as leader. Your impact was obvious from day one, and the effort you put in meant a lot to me as someone who has loved that clan since 05. As you move on to your next chapter in Tempest I wish you nothing but the best.

1 hour ago, true said:

Do you have any advice for Tempest?

As much as you want buddy.

 

- Always take challenges head on, don't back away from them (I know this sounds cliché). Whenever something seems too difficult understand that you can overcome it, and when you do it will change the trajectory of your clan forever.

 

- Focus on improvement constantly, big and small. Recruitment, time zone expansion, skills, member wealth, wilderness strategies, clan environment, forums, discord, image, presence in the game, whatever it may be.

 

- Don't be afraid to get creative when it comes to recruitment. The clan world still has a lot of room for growth, and you may need to do things differently than what you are used to in order to get an edge long term. You may also have to teach people new things that they've never done before, just as others had to do for us in the past.

 

- Give your members opportunities to make an impact. This means you will have to make an effort to find out the skills and interests of every single person in your clan and think outside the box on how to utilize them. Also recognize that some members just want to chill and show up to fights/events, which is cool too, but the point is to not get stuck in a bubble that you and your officials are the only ones who can help with direction and improvements, because you will be hindering your clan's capabilities by doing so. Take the time to know your people.

 

- Admit your faults, don't be stubborn. Growth requires acknowledgement of your own flaws, and also makes you more relatable. This is also true for clans.

 

- I guess this last one is more specifically for @true.... not that I think you need it. Leadership is about taking the first step through the door, but reminding everyone that you all walked through that door together. Preparing the food and letting everyone eat before you do. Servant leadership is the most important and most effective form of leadership because you build trust and respect through emphasizing the importance of the people around you and giving them a sense of value. Help them when they are struggling, and praise them when they are successful. But make the tough decisions when you have to and provide the vision for what you want the clan to be and the direction that you want the clan to go in.

 

I could probably spend hours giving advice so I'll cut myself off there.

23 hours ago, true said:

How do you want to be remembered? 

Kind of like I mentioned earlier, my legacy isn't important. I just hope DF know I did my best given the circumstances, and hope that I didn't disappoint.

 

6 hours ago, true said:

Who are your favorite Storm Troopers that never got Warlord?

 

 

Let's just say Vanzant since I see him spamming this topic and we had a conversation about it not too long ago lol, I'll throw some love his way. But really I don't remember a lot of STs that didn't end up getting warlord.

 

6 hours ago, I Kill Batty said:

Follow up question, why was the rank called storm trooper, it's so unique to DF what made DF go with this title?

Legitimately no clue, I don't think I was part of the naming process. It started out as our junior clan, which we scrapped then basically became a PK Leader rank and stepping stone to warlord. My guess is it's just a creative name to suggest they were "elite" fighters.

 

6 hours ago, true said:

@Bunty are there any specific changes in terms of structure/process that you wanted to implement into DF that didn't gain enough traction?

Not that didn't gain traction, more so that I just never got around to doing or couldn't figure out how to implement them. One example was we had the applicant reviewer rank, but I wanted to gather a group of more specifically social members to reach out to applicants and newer members in order to build a better overall feeling of welcoming. I struggled to figure out how to organize that as I had all sorts of ideas and didn't necessarily want to flood the clan with new ranks, so I mostly just pushed members to post of new app topics and try to reach out to newbies. It was important to me to build an environment that outsiders would want to join.

22 hours ago, The End said:

How did true convince you to do this AMA?

 

Do you hold true in contempt for ostracizing/kicking the old df?

He didn't really try to convince me that hard, he more so hinted a few times that he wanted me to do it. I was leaning towards not doing it at first, but then decided to when I saw some of the Retired Forces crew were interested in it. I think people who like these AMA's were either REALLY into the scene back then (which is fine), or want to know about your clan in relation to theirs. That second one I don't really have much to add to I don't think. Also I'm sure some know that me doing this has caused some drama, that I'm not going to get into.

 

No not me personally, I know some of the people who were kicked do though. I understand the reasoning for it, and I wasn't planning to unretire or anything so it didn't really affect me.

 

21 hours ago, Adam_ said:

If you could have stolen one member/rank from each active clan in your time in DF, who and why from each clan? 

I'm going to be honest with you, I don't think I have the brain power for this lol.  And I wasn't personally close with a lot of people from other clans, but I'll do my best.

DI - Bibbleboy. Didn't know any DI I don't think and I just liked watching his fight videos. I legitimately can't remember if he was even in DI when DF was around, but fuck it. Otherwise in a previous answer I listed Ghjjf so you can use that as a backup.

RSD - Miner Cire. I don't really know many people from RSD and I just remember the name lol.

DS - Franzk. We talked a lot and he was always cool to me.

TT - TMO. Yeah he joined DF but not during my time so this counts damnit.

EH - Broski. Just seemed like a chill guy. Same with Xero.

EOS - Mr Nickos Jr, not sure why I just always liked the guy.

COR - Robtokill. He was a pain in our ass, but he gave a damn and I can respect that.

VR - Cera. Thought he was good at leading fall ins. Or I think it was Minedtosmith who said I kicked him from DF so to make up for it him too.

 

I picked pretty much all officials because my memory is trash and I'm in bit of a rush, sorry!

 

20 hours ago, Anthony said:

@Bunty why do you love me so much and why haven’t you become a UCLA fan yet? 
 

Also who were the best binders in df history ?

 

 

Because you're a bro, bro. And bow down to Washington.

 

You were the best binder, duh.

 

17 hours ago, Vanzant said:

How big of a noob was true?

WAS?

 

14 hours ago, Krystal said:

I actually have a question for once, and it's a super serious one!

 

 

....Was Veseble high 24/7 or was he just a silly guy? ? I gotta know.  Dude was nuts, at least when we chatted on msn/ts, and I'm really curious lol.  

True snitched on us discussing this and so Ves messaged me on FB claiming he didn't smoke until he was 18, so negative. Definitely a silly dude, but he was our silly dude.

 

8 hours ago, I Kill Batty said:

What's the most unexpected situations you found yourselves in because of your position in DF?

Absolutely the masses of ex-DS joining. Trying to balance maintaining our culture and bringing in a lot of new people was a serious challenge and definitely did not see it coming. Also nh clans crashing fights were really starting to take off then, so that was a difficult situation as clans tried to work together on anti-crashing and what not.

 

9 hours ago, Howl said:

which do you like better, purple cape or team 8 cape?

Purple cape, I can dig team 8 too though.

 

1 hour ago, Ssj said:

If you werent in DF where did you see yourself instead?

If I hadn't joined DF probably would have tried joining Sacred Templars. Then after they closed maybe Eternal Honour or The Titans.

2 hours ago, Patrick said:

Worst fight/event DF had when you were a rank

I can't think of one specifically, but at the beginning of the Corr rivalry when they were hunting us all the goddamn time was pretty brutal. It took a lot of effort, focus and improvement to overcome that since at the time they were clearly the better clan. It was pretty frustrating for awhile.

 

1 hour ago, Blue Wall said:

@Bunty What era of DF was most enjoyable for you from a personal standpoint?

 

Was it the early days when DF was rising through the ranks as nobodies, was it breaking into the top 5 and competing with the big boys for the first time?  Or was it your time as leader when DF went through its first ever stint as #1?

I loved every point of it lol, but I'm going to go with my point as leader. Just because I was so concerned about the state of the clan after Death retired, and that we were able to turn it around and even take it all the way to the top of the mountain. It was really cool to see happen and be a part of... just the level of persistence from DF.

 

1 hour ago, true said:

What is the most "no honor" thing you've done to give DF an advantage 

Man I'm an angel I don't know what to tell you ? I honestly don't know. Nothing to the no honor level, but we definitely tried to befriend clans for recruitment reasons lol, which was just kind of dickish in a way. We had spies, but everyone did, and I didn't even use the spies at all. But really I can't think of anything specific that would have been deemed NH, maybe one of my members from back in the day has a secret to tell that I don't know about though.

21 minutes ago, true said:

If you had to give Leader to one person that never got it, who?

Flinstoneman, I think he would have been a really good leader. I don't know of anyone who was around him who was like "meh he's alright." Everyone liked the guy... he was smart, a great warlord, and had a presence that everyone felt. Calm, cool and collected.

20 hours ago, Adam_ said:

Do you prefer F2p or P2p and why? (I think I know the answer to the first part but ya)

 

If you could pass down one lesson to leadership of the clans in today's clan world, based on your careers, what do you think the most important one would be?

 

While I know for sure the jmods weren't exactly as involved in the community as they are nowadays (though it's not really among pvp clans), i've heard/read about some occasions of them interacting with clans and their communities including in Mod Mat K's AMA. When you guys were in leadership was there any interesting things they did just for memes, or were there any decent discussions between your leadership/communities and the jagex team?

 

In your time PvPing were there ever any kills you got that you were proud of ? Whether it was big loot or a kill on someone particularly hard to kill 

 

What's the most 'nh' thing you were either part of or had knowledge of but didn't do anything about or allowed to happen during your time clanning? 

 1. F2P, or at least back when I did play, I don't exactly know 100% what F2P fights look like nowadays. I liked the simplicity of the combat styles because I think it really forced creative approaches to try and get an edge. Organization condensing into piling one person and creating spam towers to try and intimidate the other clan/help members see the pile and motivate them, then hugging trees and rocks to try and tank, then forcing hybrids to play more of a role to stop dragging/hugging, sending snipers to the other clan's fall ins to try, etc.

 

2. I think leadership fundamentals transcend time, and to me its always about people. Don't let the ego get in the way and try to help others in your clan contribute to their highest capabilities and in ways that they want to. Give them opportunities to be creative and utilize their personal skill sets to help your clan improve. There are many different ways clans can be improved, so picking peoples' brains and giving them opportunities will help your clan down the road.

 

3. Nope nothing from my time with the Jagex team honestly. I think Ross has been in touch with them over the years due to in-game complications, but nothing from my team back in the day.

 

4. I got a kill on Robtokill once in a fight, which felt good way back then lol. My account has bad RNG (no it's not me) so I didn't get kills very often.

 

5. I don't really know if I did anything that could have been considered "nh", I pushed pretty hard against that stuff because I was a huge fucking dork. Death jokingly said we were going to become an nh clan once and I created a leaving topic.... I'm lame. ?

 

20 hours ago, Kenny said:

If you could change anything from your time as leader/head warlord what would it be?

So many things. First I wish I would have made more of an effort to stick around longer than I did. Secondly I wish I would have spoken to members 1 on 1 more... I did that a lot more than I think most leaders would but it still wasn't good enough in my mind. Thirdly I would have liked to define the Council role more, because there were periods where I think they didn't know what to do and I didn't guide them super well on that. Fourth I wanted to create a rank where members would nominate other members to maybe like a 1 or 2 month role to contribute to goals or finding solutions to challenges that the clan faced.

 

7 hours ago, Buzz said:

Do you think the current Divine Forces should try and re-invent themselves and go back to basics (F2P) which made them successful? It doesn't seem as though p2p is really benefiting them as a clan. 

Honestly I don't see F2P as a hot fix, no offense to Tempest. I think more clans getting involved can help it grow, but I don't think it's quite at that point yet nor is it going to be as simple as that. Either way maybe a balance of the two would give them access to a broader group of players as far as member growth goes, but then you also have to think about the group that is in there now and if they want to make a switch. Or would that move diminish their current base since they like to P2P? They still pull 50ish people to fights so they aren't by any means dead, and they wouldn't want to make a move that would put them at a worse point.

 

I don't think DF's growth potential, or any clan's really, necessarily comes from picking one of the two pvp options, but instead I think it is other things. Let's use True as an example, the guy markets himself super well. He is personable and gets along with a lot of people. In marketing himself he ultimately marketed his project Tempest, so the clan grew fairly quickly. Now look at forum activity, he draws people to his forums through topics that peak the interests of multiple generations of clanners (think of DI forums back in the day, same thing). Then there is discord where people are being invited to it on a day-to-day basis through essentially word of mouth marketing. All of these things draw people to Tempest and opens doors for Tempest to grow, and only clans marketing themselves can draw both current clanners and future clanners to them. That I think is the key to any clan's growth opportunity, not just DF's.

 

Or I'm super out of touch and don't know what I'm talking about, also a viable option.

 

31 minutes ago, I Kill Batty said:

GOT IT THANKS GUYS.

 

10 minutes ago, true said:

Seeing DF's success/overall enjoyment the past few years in P2P, do you wish DF took it more seriously during your tenures?

No, because our member base back then really liked F2P. Maybe we missed an opportunity there, but we were thriving and enjoying F2P, and what your members enjoy matters a lot.

3 hours ago, Kiwi said:

As a Old School member who would of been all for giving him Leader back, honestly? No.

 

Death was great at what he did and who he was in the pre DS DF era, but the clan had changed so much in those couple+ years that he wouldn't of (and didn't) command the same respect that he did during his original leader days. Death was a great leader bc we all followed him blindly and he lead us admirably. But he choose to leave DF for RL reasons and no one could blame for that. It sucked at the time but Bunty/Ves/Lego recovered amazingly and brought DF to new heights following pretty much the blueprint Death had set out. 

 

By the time 09-11 rolled around, our leadership was basically all new people to Death, and even the members for the most part were all different, it was this time Death came back then we promoted all the rest of the 06ers to Old School which as you know stayed that way until OSRS and you guys guted the rank. And it did cause some animosity between the OSers and rest of the members, but the right choice was made imo in not giving him leadership back, even if I at the time was a voice in giving it back to him.

 

Not Bunty or Homedawg, but that's my two cents on that question :P. 

You can chime in anytime you want my friend, we'll make this a Bunty + Homedawg + Kiwi AMA.

 

1 hour ago, true said:

Thoughts on Shinobi as Leader? What is his legacy in DF?

I honestly don't know, I think you'd have a better idea than I would. It just seemed... underwhelming I guess? I remember him having so much potential, and I don't really know how everything went down (you and I have talked about it a little), but it just ended up being different than what I expected. Maybe his peak potential was as council, and there is no shame in that, or maybe he just started to lose interest at the wrong time. I really don't know.

23 hours ago, david said:

Favorite crashwar and why?

Dream lineup?

If you had the chance to change something you did that you regret back when you were ranked what would you change?

1. Crash wars started I think when Lego took over. And thank god for that, they would have driven me bonkers lol.

 

2. There is another question later on about dream lineup of people not from DF, so for this one I'll do DF:

Council: Lego, Blue Wall, Xshinobizx, IMK, Rene, Murray

Warlord: Flinstoneman, Homedawg, Peterh, Veseble

FA Manager: Dark Knighty

 

3. There is an image floating around out there somewhere of me ripping into DF in members forums listing a bunch of things that pissed me off lol. I could be pretty harsh sometimes, and that was an example of one. Other than that I wish I would have spent more time having conversations with people who broke rules rather than just giving them the boot. A lot of things can be resolved with a simple conversation.

 

23 hours ago, true said:

For both:

 

Who is someone that should have reached a higher rank, but did not (for whatever reason)

I think maybe Beevis. I had some good conversations with him back in the day, and despite his goofy sense of humor he had a good head on his shoulders. He made it to the justice rank, he probably should have been council.

 

22 hours ago, Dark Knighty said:

To both of you.

 

Who is your least favourite leader in DF history? and why is it @true?

I think we ALL have an understanding that it is @true and why it is true ?but no seriously it was Peterh, simply because of the way he left.

 

22 hours ago, true said:

If you had to construct a leadership (with you as leader) with officials from other clans (never were DF etc.), who would it consist of?

Council: Amosstorm, Broski, Kidefence, Robtokill, Mr Nickos

Warlord: Cera, Radicalsurfu, Ghjjf, Avster

 

22 hours ago, true said:

What do you feel like were the biggest mistakes DF made as a clan?

I think we beefed too much with too many clans, causing unnecessary shit like crash wars. Obviously that was not specifically a DF thing, but it was definitely something I noticed. Also sometimes DF could be too selfish, I remember reading Bishinmo talking about why he hated DF so much and actually remembering that specific event happening. We had tendencies to irk people I guess, even allies back in the day (we pissed of Valor a couple of times). I think maybe long term that led to a lot of problems that DF experienced well after my time.

 

22 hours ago, Josh said:

I never really remembered an enjoyable fight against DF, I always got the sense that it was 'Win at any cost' and DF were involved with some of the longest fights ever in Runescape (multiple 12h+; including 24h). That's not just from one specific era, but it probably started somewhere in 07 or late 06 and continued right through to 2012 or whenever Jagex thought EOC would be a good idea (maybe later, I quit then).  That's not a dig against DF, all clans did it at some point but I just remember DF doing it more than others. 

 

Was there ever a time either of you wanted to call off a fight but someone else wanted to keep going even when you felt it was just a waste of time? If so, who was that person?

 

I also remember in 07ish (?) You guys tried to do more p2p and had a p2p leader etc (can't remember the name). Why do you think that fell flat, and what would you have done differently? (Either a new approach to p2p, or just forget it all together?).

 

Anyway, credit where credit's due - You guys did a good job with recruiting and maintaining a large playerbase for a long period of time. Thanks for the memories. 

Yeah I feel you, I agree on the long fights. DF had a "fight to the bitter end" mentality and some fights got way out of control. I never experienced a 12 hour+ one I don't think, but they were definitely getting to that point with 8-9 hours before we'd call it quits or the other clan did. The issue is a lot of DF members actually liked those long fights, but it was one of many reasons I ultimately threw in the towel. I liked the days of wars, and short pk run ins were fun (like 1.5-2 hours) but they got way out of control for me and I started not enjoying it anymore. I don't have a specific fight in mind, as they all started to get bland for me, but a lot our members liked them so we kept going.

 

We had a P2P Leader in 06 and tried to do more P2P, but we were too F2P focused at that point that very few members took it seriously. It was something Death liked, we were mage bank pking in like 05 late at night and he wanted to have more of a hand on that side. 

 

21 hours ago, Eric`` said:

What do you hope people remember about your legacy(s)?

My legacy isn't really something I care about. Mostly I think it is the DF members that deserve the credit for whatever my legacy is. They showed up time and time again when I needed them.

 

18 hours ago, BleakTerror said:

who let @true join DF ?‍♂️

Idk huge mistake though. 

 

18 hours ago, Out said:

What do you think of the nickname for DF: gayboys?

 

Not much. I know they at least used to have a lot of gay guys in there, and I think they embrace it lol.

 

14 hours ago, Blue Wall said:

@Bunty what were your thoughts on DS and what was DF's approach during your time as leader/high council on how to go about handling them in terms of giving them fights vs trying to focus on other clans and avoid them?  If they had stayed open and kept going do you think DF would have been the best clan to challenge for their spot first, or would another clan like Corr have been more likely, or DI resurging to take back the top spot?

 

Also, what were your thoughts on my being able to recruit Avster and you never getting him to join DF ?

 

@Homedawg I know a lot of people had differing opinions on the role of head warlord over the years.  Being one that held the rank, what did you see your role as during your time with it?

Well the fact of the matter is when it came to DS the only clan that was even close to their level at the time was DI. We liked to fight them now and then to challenge ourselves, and they were always cool about it, but we had a long ways to go before we got to the point of overthrowing them. I had a lot of faith in DF's ability and I absolutely think we could have gotten there, so outside of DI already being their #1 challenger I like to think we could have gotten it done at some point, but we would have had to do some heavy recruiting. I definitely wanted to be the one to take down DS I'll tell you that much lol.

 

13 hours ago, Eric`` said:

Over the clan world eras, Df has always been able to change and adapt and stay relevant, why is this? Literally every other clan has been defeated by jagex with one update or major change to the game, but not DF. What's the secret?

I think that started with Death honestly. The guy had a consistent drive to just never give up and always take a challenge head on, and he was teaching everyone how to get an edge on opponents from day one, whether that was through recruitment, fight tactics, or building a solid culture of competitive people. I know I haven't been in many of your guys' clans before, so I can only speak from my previous experiences before DF, but no other clan I had been in was even close to resembling what DF was. It was a huge culture shock to me when I joined. When he built that foundation we then had patterns to follow for continued success. I definitely learned some things from him.

 

That's my theory anyways.

 

11 hours ago, Eric`` said:

In the prime of CoR vs. DF, who from cor did you guys hate/dislike the most?

Well since I was Council at the time I hated Robtokill because I was in a lot of those conversations with him or heard the aftermath of those conversations lol. That being said I started to gain more respect for him down the road.

 

11 hours ago, Flukejiver said:

@Bunty @Homedawg

 

If you started a clan, out of all of the players throughout the clanning world, who would be your all-star official team consist of? Leaders, warlord, council, etc....

I kind of did this version of strictly DF and then strictly outsiders a few quotes up, so mash them together I guess lol.

 

10 hours ago, Adam_ said:

If you were to bring back one clan from the dead in all it's former glory today what clan would it be, with what leadership team, and why?

 

If you were to remove the existence of a clan from the history of the OSRS clanning community (never opens, doesn't effect other things, members end up staying in their previous clans/going to their next clans/joining other clans/whatever) what clan and why?

 

Thoughts on current clans at least the ones you know about?
Tempest

DF

RoT

AF

SV

PD

DR

AC

VR

DK (lol)

 

What was your favorite clan you were a part of other than DF and why? Guess this is only applicable to Bunty since it looks like Homedawg was only DF unless I misread

 

Did either of you enjoy other aspects of the game outside of PvP? If so, what? 

 

It seems like you both are pretty decently happy with where DF is today and how it's stood the test of time unlike so many other clans, which of course you should be. However, if there was 1 thing you could change about that clan currently, would there be something? What would it be?

 

 

1. I liked Sacred Templars a lot, so let's pick them. Another clan I just thought were super respectful and gave us good fights back in the day. 

 

2. Rot. They aren't nearly the sole reason for what the clan world is today, but they definitely played a role in it. Their tactics were and still are cheap and I think made it hard for a lot of people to even enjoy clanning. Idk when my nephew wants to play checkers with me, but he swipes all of my pieces off the board before the game even starts and claims victory, I don't call him the best checkers player of all time.

 

3. 

Tempest - I don't know this clan super well, but I like that it has a bunch of old faces mixed with new faces and you guys are doing your own thing. I like that you are tackling F2P as well, in a way hopefully helping to bring it back.

DF - What can I say, I think people have seen me kiss their asses enough lol. I love this clan.

RoT - See above.

AF - I don't know much about them, but I know they are P2P force to be reckoned with.

SV - Don't know

PD - Don't know

DR - Don't know, just recently heard about them

AC - Don't know

VR - I respect that they are still around doing their thing. I've seen some of their members in DF's discord too and they seem like chill guys.

DK (lol) - Don't know

Sorry I'm an rs boomer.

 

4. Weirdly I liked the smaller clans I was in, The Blue Dragons and The Midnight Warriors. I just liked small communities, they were refreshing and it felt easier to make friends for some reason. I wish Nemesis would have lasted longer though because I liked where that was going initially.

 

5. No I hated playing rs, I only played for clanning. I actually appreciate the pvm aspect more nowadays because I can come home from work and turn my brain off; not have to worry about anything. But I stopped actively playing rs well before I retired from clanning.

 

6. This question has been asked a few times so I'll try to beat around the bush less with my response. Let's say if I were leader DF would probably be doing F2P on top of P2P. That being said I just want them to do their own thing, and it totally does not make a difference to me what they decide to do with their time.

 

7 hours ago, true said:

What smaller/mid-size clans (that never made it to the "top") did you respect the most? 

I always liked Rune Raiders and Demonic Empire. I almost applied to Demonic Empire at one point. Not sure why really outside of liking the vibe of their members.

 

6 hours ago, true said:

@Bunty

 

Could you talk about your time in Awaken?

I joined Awaken when it first started up and was called The Storm, my friend Avster recruited me to it. I can't really remember where most of the people in that clan were before they joined Awaken, but I didn't really know anyone and I found it difficult to make friends. It was fairly forgettable to the point where Blue Wall and I forgot that we were even in it together. I mostly didn't like the leader General Shop, I thought he had an ego that was a bit undeserved, and I remember some people who were in the clan told me they thought the same thing lol. Either way I bailed on it pretty quickly, and my leaving post was pretty brief basically just telling them that I didn't feel like I clicked with the clan. They never flamed me, nor were they rude, it was just not my vibe.

 

I do think I should have maybe stuck around for longer and gave it more of a chance though. As I was typing that up I realized it was pretty similar to when I first joined DF so now I'm starting to think the problem was me. ?

 

5 hours ago, I Kill Batty said:

Having opened DF in 2005, and only really having 2 full years before free trade and wilderness battles were removed, how did you handle it and what type of conversations were had to maintain your members, how many people would you say quit the game because of the update, what hard steps were taken as a result of the update that helped push DF to it's new heights, and how did it affect DF as a clan?

Surprisingly when the wilderness got removed and Bounty Hunter became the replacement it didn't really affect us too much. I do remember pretty much everyone being bummed out, but we made the best of it. I think our first fight in Bounty Hunter was against VR (maybe - bad memory), and I remember that being pretty enjoyable. I think we got a kick of having targets being other DF members and joking around about that, or if it was one of the members of the opposing clan our members pushed everyone to try and kill that specific person lol. But it was basically a large, open, gray space that got boring after awhile. I think a few members called it quits after the update, but ultimately we adapted and moved on.

 

4 hours ago, true said:

Having been around DF plenty prior to joining, I heard bits and pieces (and later read in the archives) of a few Death240 attempted comebacks, including him asking for Leader back and being told no. I believe he was even given Warlord once. What were your thoughts on these attempted comebacks that the clan seemingly had a divided opinion on (old school vs then-current members)? Did you guys personally speak to him about it?

Do you think DF would have been better in the 2009-2011 era if Death was given Leader back?

I only had any sort of communication from him the first time around. I was retired at that point, but he did not have anything nice to say to me lol.

 

Here's the issue with being gone for a long period of time and coming back to immediately gain high ranks. First of all you just don't know what tactics are being used in fights, that's pretty basic. But secondly people only follow people they respect, and if they don't know you that means you have to re-earn their respect like it is day one. I think it would have been much better for Death to unretire as a member and build his way back up, because he absolutely had the skillset to do so, I just think he may have expected too much from a group that didn't know him and they couldn't take him seriously as a result. I never dove deep into it, that's just what I suspect happened based on some conversations with others afterwards.

58 minutes ago, I Kill Batty said:

When do you feel DF hit it's peak and what actions do you think lead you there?

Peak of strength was 2007 DF after DS closed as a bunch of those ex-DS members joined DF. I think DF had a mentality of not being afraid of a challenge and not backing down, which I think certain people respected and liked which led to a lot of them joining us. I also think DF mastered organization at that time giving us an edge against a lot of clans; eventually other clans caught up though. We were aggressive, and sometimes too aggressive, but it was a winning formula.

 

50 minutes ago, Blue Wall said:

Most of these are directed at @Bunty I guess, but I'd be interested in @Homedawg's thoughts on some of the ones below that he thinks would be applicable to him as well.

 

 

DF had, either deservedly or not, a reputation of mass recruiting dead clans in order to boost themselves up.  Why do you think that DF seemed to have a lot more long term and permanent success of absorbing these clans compared to other clans that tended to gained power in the short term and then lose most of those members pretty quickly?

 

 

On the same note, what clan that joined DF in large numbers do you think fit in to DF's community the easiest and most successfully (Not battlefield success, but community wise)?  DS feels like the obvious answer so just curious what you would say more in depth on how they fit into the community of DF, or if its another clan then Im curious who you would say.

 

 

What was the hardest challenge you had to overcome as DF's leader?  Was it the post Death240 retirement slump, the earlier days of the Corr rivalry, or any other moments that stick out over those for you?

 

 

Was there every any other clan you admired or could have seen yourself in if DF didn't exist during your active years?  I always find this one a weird one to try to think back on from a personal stand point.

1. Because while Death would probably never admit it, becoming friendly with clans was part of the recruitment formula. I did the same thing. Long term stability requires you to make others want to be you rather than beat you. Sometimes we succeeded in that and sometimes we made enemies and hurt ourselves. Having a strong sense of what your community was meant that while some people would leave others would relate to it and stick around. It was a challenging balance, but I don't think you can argue with the results. 

 

2. I think DS, but honestly I can really only think of two clans that did end up closing and mass joining - DS and Valor. We loved Valor members but I don't know if their mindset as a whole fit super well with DF's. I think DS members had more of that, but DF was definitely not for all of them.

 

3. The biggest challenge was the Cor rivalry, but I wasn't leader at the peak of it. Balancing the large influx of DS members was the hardest part, simply because I had to try and get that push to the top spot from it, try to make everyone feel welcomed, and simultaneously not let DF's culture crumble. It was a tough balance, but it worked out alright.

 

4. Now you're just farming for Valor kudos ? I liked EH a lot. Based on personality I thought they would be a good fit for me.

 

45 minutes ago, Vanzant said:

Hello noobs lol

Hey pal ❤️

 

38 minutes ago, true said:

Who is the greatest clan of all time?

With absolutely no bias what-so-ever, DF of course ?. You could argue DI or RSD though. I value longevity and the ability to be competitive through multiple periods, and all three of those clans have/had it.

 

1 hour ago, Kiwi said:

@bunty

 

Dude, it's been 14 years, yes this joke has got to be old by this point, buttttttttttttttttt did you ever come up with a polite way to tell a woman "that you would like to plow her"

 

? miss you man, always great to get those little talks over the years.

 

Damn nice memory dude lol. Still bad with women and will be until the day I die most likely. Miss you too man, we had some good times back in the day.

 

1 hour ago, Scleritis said:

Thoughts on DF being fairly irrelevant in todays clan world? Would you like to see them make a return to F2P?

Don't take this the wrong way, but I think Tempest lives in a bubble that deems them irrelevant. Yes they aren't active in F2P, but I see them fighting Revenant, Ancient Fury, Violent Resolution, Vitality, Sovereign, Playdead, and others and pulling decent numbers. I even saw them take a chance on F2P and fight you guys. They also deal with RoT and their minions like you guys do. They may be irrelevant in F2P, which is what you guys primarily do, but they aren't as a whole. I just want them to do what they want to do, and for now that is P2P. If they eventually want to move to F2P then good for them, but it's not my place to judge them or expect anything of them.

 

1 hour ago, true said:

What clan did you respect the most during your tenure 

This is a tough one. I always like Eternal Honour, and at least during my time we had a decent relationship with The Titans.

 

1 hour ago, Adam_ said:

Did you guys ever meet someone named Austin P ? He's a friend of mine and when he and I were active in the same community, he talked a fair bit about DF despite never being in the clan officially afaik and said he knew a lot of people there, having nothing but good things to say. Not sure if it was during your time however, but I know True knows him. If you did meet him, thoughts?

 

If you were to come back to clanning today would you go back to DF, would you join Tempest, would you seek to open a new clan, or would you join another clan entirely? And what would be the reasoning behind your choice(s)? 

 

Follow up from that - do you think you'll ever return to clanning in some capacity? If the answer is no for any reason but just refusing to return - what would have to change for you to come back, whether it be irl circumstances or with the clanning community/the game?

 

Do you guys still play the game despite not really being part of clanning? Other games?

 

What are interesting reasons you had to reprimand / remove members from the clan during your time in leadership, if any? (Even if it wasn't you directly removing them but another rank/the leader)

 

As you guys were mostly retired throughout later rs2 / rs3 / OSRS are there any things you regret missing out on during these eras? 

 

Most overrated clan you've encountered during your time?

 

Clan you had the best opinion of and why?

 

Clan you had the worst opinion of and why?

 

Least favorite members and why / least favorite official you've had the (dis)pleasure of being part of a rank team with and why? 

1. Sorry I never met Austin P, not sure who that is.

2. I would go back to DF. They are basically fully GMT now, but I would have to find a way to work. That's my clan, always has been and always will be.

3. No, primarily because I just can't stay focused on the game enough to make my account even good enough. I get too bored quickly. Also I just am not sure the current state of the clan world really interest me.

4. I play rs for like two weeks then stop playing for four months, and it basically repeats. I play it when I get really bored. I don't play any online games, but I do like single player RPG's. Unfortunately there aren't enough good ones nowadays.

5. We just had to remove people for doing sketchy shit. Scamming, hacking, working with nh clans, etc. Nothing super interesting, but they always came with drama.

6. I don't know if I miss out on much honestly. They game and the clan world changed so much, but maybe at least experiencing some of that would have been interesting. Trying to survive through a 24 hour fight sure would have been a challenge.

7. The most overrated clan.... tough one. I led DF during its peak point, so while different clans added a challenge we were really tough to beat. As much as I respected EH I don't think we ever had super difficult fights from them until well after my time. 

8. Eternal Honour, I just liked their vibe as they were a really respectable group of people. I also like The Titans back in the day, for similar reasons.

9. Back then it was Cor. I understood their reasons for the rivalry, but I thought their response was way over the top. It ended up just being a fun challenge and I ended up gaining respect for them, but for awhile we hated each other.

10. I can't remember any specific member. Since we are talking any rank team I disliked General Shop in Awaken, which is one reason I left. There was just an ego with him, and when DF became #1 he messaged me in a stand-offish way kind of trying to take some credit for it lol. Was odd.

 

43 minutes ago, true said:

What athlete or coach do you feel has similar leadership traits to you?

I think Chris Petersen. They guy's whole point is to help others grow and excel, and that's what I love about leadership. I want to help people thrive.

 

26 minutes ago, true said:

I don't know much about Flin apart from stories and the forums DM's he send me when he was stoned. Could you tell me more about him and what made him arguably the best warlord in DF history?

LOL sounds about right. The guy just did everything right as a warlord, but outside of that he was a genuinely nice guy who gained the respect of everyone. He just gave off serious leader vibes to me, and always had great input to give. It's been so long so I can't remember specific scenarios, but he is one of the few people I can think of who had instantly impressed me.

58 minutes ago, Saxo said:

Anything you would have changed from your time as official in DF?

 

Any official from another Era that you would have liked to be official with?

 

Ever consider leaving or joining another clan? (bunty)

 

If you could bring one person back from the dead so to speak who would it be?

 

Thoughts on the crash war?

 

Bunty specifically how did it feel when you realised True kicked you from the clan? At the time, did you think it was the right thing to do or were you salty about it and has this changed in hindsight?

 

Was it surprising when DF beat Cor for the first time ever or did everyone just kind of expect it to happen eventually if you kept going at it? What was thought after realising you had finally beat them?

 

What was the best era of DF in your opinion?

1. As council I was a bit of an ass as DF members were like wild mustangs, and I wish I would have spent more time actually trying to befriend people. As leader I wish I would have spent more time on rankings and member input options, as I think there was a lot of untapped potential that we didn't take advantage of.

2. Blue Wall, hands down. He and I think a lot alike.

3. Nope, DF is and always be my clan.

4. This is tough, there are so many people I'd like to talk to again. Since Seek came back around I guess I'll say Beevis, those two were hilarious.

5. I hated crash wars, I thought it was a waste of time to think clans could really spend time killing another clan due to disagreements. Hurt every clan long term in my opinion.

6. I was never salty about it and understood it. I just like to tease True for it.

7. Death pushed us so hard to never give up on our fights with Cor, and when we started beating them it felt really damn good. It was like a weird mixture of being exhausted over it but being too stubborn to lie down. I think that was a huge turning point for what DF would end up being over a 15 year period, as its mentality of constantly fighting and adapting was engraved in it.

8. Honestly I am very impressed by 2010 - current day DF. I don't think anyone like us on the outside really, truly understands how difficult it would have been to adapt and have success through crash wars/ddosing/rs doing multiple terrible updates/a RoT embargo and to come out of it just fine. We did some cool stuff back in our day in the prime of the clan world, sure, but we also didn't really have to worry about all of that stuff happening. It's impressive and I have huge amounts of respect for it.

 

40 minutes ago, Tika191 said:

Who were your favorite callers in DF?

Flin and Homedawg. Lots of callers had their great points, but props to those two in particular.

 

32 minutes ago, true said:

Bunty, did you eye any possible comebacks during OSRS?

Not really, no. Once I retired for the last time I kind of knew that would be it, I just always liked to linger around DF and check in on them.

1 hour ago, Flukejiver said:

@Bunty@Homedawg

 

Who would you say was DF's biggest rivals?

Who did you like to fight the most and why?

Corr was hands down our biggest rival. DI for a brief period when we were fighting for the #1 rank. After my time I think ex-DF members would tell you TT and MAYBE VR for a bit, but can't say for sure.

 

I liked fighting the big boys, DI and DS. We didn't do it often but I enjoyed the challenge every time we did. I also enjoyed fighting EH as I respected that clan a lot. Cor was fun but when you fight a clan so much you eventually get kind of bored of it.

1 hour ago, Striking McLightningrod said:

Thoughts on current Reign of Terror?

I'm never surprised by them. I don't really consider them a legitimate clan if I'm being honest, tactics went way too far and from what I hear still do.

 

1 hour ago, DoSoQi said:

which clan u enjoyed fighting against if u rm or have vid of it

I just listed this above, DS/DI/EH.

 

1 hour ago, true said:

Biggest regret in DF? 

I think being too much of a hardass as council. I think that turned a lot of people off. Other than that my leadership stint just being so short. I wish I could have lingered longer and helped DF establish a more dominant role. The strength was so new by the time I stepped down.

 

1 hour ago, Pietru said:

What are your thoughts on DF now as compared to before?

They're awesome, I love that group and respect them a lot. They are the epitome of what I want DF members to be, and have done a lot to still be a threat. Ultimately I just want them to make DF what they want it to be so it can be their clan in a similar way to how it has always been mine. I'm proud of the community we created in the past and I hope they are proud of what they have done.

 

1 hour ago, true said:

What are some funny stories from the leadership side that was never told publicly?

Honestly I'm too old the grey hairs have taken over my brain. Can't remember anything funny specifically.

59 minutes ago, RagingPanda said:

Being an Old School RS Clanner. What are your thoughts on the changes in today's Clan World? 

 

Divine Forces has always been an outstanding clan all throughout the Clan History. Being a high ranking official for the clan. What pressure was put on you and what expectation was given to you by the leader you served? 

 

Today's clan world is not my cup of tea. I respect DF for keeping it going and doing their thing, and am happy they are enjoying it, but for me personally I don't think I could be active in it. I started to notice changes with crashing/ddosing/extending fights way too long which helped kill the flame for me. It felt like everyone refused to take a loss which degraded the clan world, and on top of that Jagex was making changes that didn't exactly help. I think the current clan world is the aftermath of that, but clearly it hasn't ended it as clans are still doing their thing, so maybe it isn't quite what I think it is.

 

No pressure was really put on me, but I certainly put pressure on myself. I just wanted to be myself and help in whatever way I thought I could to make the clan better. Unfortunately that meant I ended up being a bit of a hardass as council. Death eventually told me he hated what I turned the clan into, so I guess there were expectations that I didn't know about.

 

58 minutes ago, RagingPanda said:

Divine Forces has had many Leaders throughout it's life. What do you think each leader did great and what they could have improved on? 

I listed this in my first response. Sorry, good question though.

 

54 minutes ago, Pope said:

You guys couldn't find better old school DF officials than Homedawg?

I'll let Homedawg respond to this one lol.

 

53 minutes ago, Striking McLightningrod said:

Me and Rad vs @Homedawg and Ves who wins??

Homedawg and Ves, duh. ?

 

52 minutes ago, david said:

What were your thoughts when you came back to the "new era"

I never really came back to the new era, but observing from the outside I was impressed that DF managed to keep competing at a high level considering the state of the clan world. They were obviously holding their own in challenging times. As for the clan world itself, it kind of ended up being what I thought it would end up being based on patterns I saw back in the day.

 

51 minutes ago, DoSoQi said:

what was your feeling when you got kicked at the end from the clan that u someday  gave it every thing  you can  or kept it alive ?

It was no big deal, I told True back then and IMK just a few days ago that I think it was past due and understood why they did it. I just like taking fun little jabs at True.

 

49 minutes ago, RagingPanda said:

@Bunty How did you feel having to step into such a big shoes? What do you think was the legacy you left in DF? 

I'm a pretty confident guy so I took it head on, knowing I had to earn DF's trust. My legacy isn't important, I just wanted DF members to know that they were responsible for all of the success that they had and only they could get in the way of it falling apart. Ultimately I think it worked out pretty well, and I hope in doing so I played some sort of role in establishing DF's ability to adapt to challenges over the years.

1 hour ago, Pietru said:

Any notable people you remember from your days in DF?

So many. Death, Lilhunterkid, Scotticon, Runites, Dark Knighty, Seek Destro0, Beevis, Pickleman, Flinestoneman, Homedawg, Veseble, Lego, Lil2, the list just goes on and on that I can't possibly list them all out.

 

1 hour ago, Striking McLightningrod said:

What was so special, in df's eyes, about Flinstoneman?

 

I think he had a presence that was more than a Warlord. He was a great Warlord, but I think he could have led the clan at some point.

 

1 hour ago, Striking McLightningrod said:

How did you guys feel about Lego/Kim being in a relationship and both ranked, did this ever cause drama?

Not something I ever concerned myself with, and I don't recall it ever causing drama.

 

1 hour ago, Vanuckle said:

Who were some of your favourite members to have around in 2006? 2007? 2008?

I listed a bunch earlier in this post. 07/08 Saxo, Dalejamesw, Shinobi, etc.

 

1 hour ago, Striking McLightningrod said:

Ross + @true leading a fight vs @Homedawg and lil2, who wins?

Hard to say since I've never been led by Ross or True, but I'll take my old school bias and go Homedawg & Lil2.

 

1 hour ago, Striking McLightningrod said:

@Bunty who was the best DF leader of all time in your eyes?

Whichever way I answer this question I'm going to get flamed out by someone, so I'll list 3 and let you determine from there: Death240, True 2k8 and Legolas86880.

 

1 hour ago, true said:

What clans do you feel like were "similar" to DF and why? 

Good question, DF was the most unique clan I had ever been in. I guess Cor since I got to know them on a personal level as a deep-seeded rival. It feels like that rivalry started based on a common trait both clans had.

2 hours ago, I Kill Batty said:

How did you feel when you saw the clan went to notorious e-dater like True 2k8?

Initially I thought it added a good spark to the clan. True has some great traits, but towards the end I think he could have done better to not cause so much chaos. My rank on these forums is a great example of that.

 

1 hour ago, true said:

What are the best and worst qualities of these Leaders?

 

Death

Lego

Bunty

Shinobi

Ves

Kim

Omniusha

Whazaa

True

Murray

To be clear - I was not active in DF for most of these so my responses are just outside observations.

 

Death - his ability to push DF to be its best and challenge anyone was his best trait. Worst was he went too easy on members who broke rules.

Lego - I think just his overall presence in the clan, nothing specific. He argued a little bit too much with people on RSC.

Bunty - Probably should ask other people. I could be too harsh on people, but I also know how to motivate people (if you're willing to read my posts that end up being novels).

Shinobi - He was a hard worker who cared. I think he was a little afraid to lay down the hammer or make a tough decision when he needed to, from what I could tell.

Ves - Ves had the respect of pretty much everyone in the clan; everyone liked him. I don't know if he had the mind for long term strategy.

Kim - Like Ves, everyone liked her. I can't say what her worst trait was, I was starting to kind of fade out at this point and not paying attention as much.

Omni - Omni is extremely loyal to DF and always tried his best. I don't know if he really had the leadership trait, but to be honest with you I never personally spent much time talking or working with Omni so whatever I say probably doesn't do him justice.

Whazaa - Another one who I think a lot of people liked and worked hard as an official, which earned him the leadership rank. I think there was a lot of internal battling amongst officials during this time, from what I have heard, but I can't confirm that as it is just rumors.

True - I think True and his leadership team had a great willingness to adapt to the changes that the clan world and rs threw at them. He's burned a lot of bridges with DF and the DF members of my time, leaving a lot of bitterness, which he should have worked to mend. Instead I see the opposite.

Murray - He is extremely loyal to the clan and have pushed them constantly to be better, you can't really question how much he cares about DF as I talk with him about it all the time. I know he'd admit this himself, but I think recruitment will be a struggle with him as he doesn't really reach out to try and befriend people outside of the clan too much. He has a solid group of officials and members to help fill that void though, which is what is needed as all leaders have their flaws.

 

 

1 hour ago, Striking McLightningrod said:

First and foremost, might not expect it from me but I respect the hell outa you guys. Homedawg used to be the rival :D.

 

@Both

1. How do you feel of what DF has become today?

2. Who was the best DF caller in 07/08?

3. Do you guys agree that CoR vs DF 07/08 rivalry was the best ever? why or why not.

4. If you could change anything about your time in df what would it be?

1. I love that clan. They have solid officials, a leader who really gives a damn and has done a lot to keep it chugging along, and a motivated memberbase who tries their best to excel at whatever challenges them. They have only been good to me, and I want them to become the ultimate version of themselves. I trust them wholly.

2. I think Homedawg, he earned a lot of respect in a short amount of time to get the Head Warlord rank, but I wasn't really active in 08 either.

3. I think DI vs. DS holds that title, but I would definitely put DF vs. Cor second. The top dogs taking swings at each other is always entertaining, but there is no doubting the energy put into the DF vs.  Cor rivalry. It was harsh and bitter, but also fun.

4. I wish I could have led for longer. My life changed a lot back then which led me to retire quickly. I wanted to help DF not only become the #1 clan but the best clan that has ever existed.

 

1 hour ago, david said:

Do you think True was a good leader or have a mindset of a leader? Cause i think he's shit

 

@homedawg who were you favorite callers when you came back to the oldschool runescape and realize you weren't godlike anymore and who were your favorites to lead with back in the day

I think he was for awhile and does have that mindset, however I also have concerns of him leaving people bitter towards him. He has his strengths, but isn't without his flaws.

1 hour ago, true said:

What is your most "proud" moment that you led DF to?

 

Who would be your "dream lineup" of DF officials?

 

If you could have recruited anyone from another clan into DF's leadership during your stint.. who would that have been and why?

 

 

My most proud moment was leading DF out of its slump initially. I wanted DF to know that while Death played a huge role in DF's success that ultimately they were the determining factor, so when we got out of that slump I think we all felt pretty good about it.

 

Honestly I really had a solid crew of officials when I took over DF. Lego, Homedawg, Ves, Scotticon, Flin, Dark Knighty, etc. are some names I would choose. Some new faces/people who were just past my time that I would love having on my team was Murray, IMK, Rene, True, Shinobi, Peterh, Dalejamesw. Idk there are so many.

 

Back then it would have been Blue Wall, although Valor already closed and he just wasn't active. He eventually joined the leadership team it was just after I retired.

 

~Divine Forces~

Bountyhuntur

@Bunty

 

Hey Everyone - I'm Bountyhuntur, but most people know me as Bunty. I started playing on RS classic and joined my first clan in late 2003 or early 2004 on RS2. After having joined and left multiple clans (The Blue Dragons, Four Horsemen, Nemesis, Awaken, etc.) I wanted a break from ranked clans and joined a friend's small pking clan called The Midnight Warriors. Here I met Death240, and is ultimately what led me to Divine Forces.

Death and Lilhunterkid recruited me to DF in 2005, but I left about a week later because I didn't feel like it was quite my fit. I then started a clan called The Legion with my buddy Avster, who ended up quitting on it fairly quickly so I shut it down. After that failed I rejoined DF following a conversation with Death, and that's where I stayed for the rest of my clanning career.

I rose the ranks pretty quickly, starting with Council then eventually becoming High Council. After I joined the second time it became pretty obvious that I had made a huge mistake leaving in the first place, because this group was special and led by a guy who was hands down the best leader I've ever had. We won a lot, constantly challenging clans that people thought we couldn't beat and rose the ranks into the top 5 in a little over a year.

Then at the end of 2006 Death retired and left the leadership rank open to one of two people, me or Veseble. After a couple of days of thinking about it, I spoke to Veseble and we agreed that I should take the Leader role. A lot of people, internally and externally, thought Death retiring was the end of DF. I wanted to prove them wrong and continue our push for that #1 spot. We hit a slump immediately, but were able to recover a couple of months. Then May came around and DS closed, which gave us a large influx of members and gave us that big push we needed to become the #1 clan.

I was lucky to be given the opportunity to guide DF through its first leadership change, out of its largest slump by that point in time, and lead the clan at its peak point throughout its 15 year history. In August of 2007 I stepped down to retire as my life was changing drastically. I came back to lead for a short time not too long after that, but then retired again fairly quickly.

Then I got kicked by @true for being retired and the rest is history.

********

Homedawg90
@Homedawg

Hi everyone, my name is Alex. My best tenure was during my time in Divine Forces, where my first interaction was getting owned in the wild by them. Sometime in 2005 when clans used to be in edge post fights, I got recruited by Divine Forces and that's how the party started. 

I became warlord in 2007 then got head warlord shortly after before finally retiring at the end of 2008. I did come back sporadically between then and 2016 before coming back to runescape for approximately a year and I thought the gameplay was not good. 

Like others, I consider 06-09 to be that golden age, perfect storm, era in rs clanning because there were such a large amount of clans including big ones like DF that had 125+ member lists and then intros and Future applications to draw numbers from. Overall it was a great time with great experiences.

nice

Just now, Krystal said:

Many funny chats I had with that one. Pretty sure he was high 24/7 now that I think about it lol.

Wouldn't shock me in the slightest haha, I thought the same thing often. Good guy though.

9 minutes ago, Krystal said:

Comic Relief (LOL ❤️ )
Veseble
 

I miss that guy lol

Thanks for remembering my burger king avatar

Creamy, but I'm cool with some crunchy too.

2 hours ago, true said:

All held ranks in Divine Forces....
 

Leader
Myself  + @Bunty
Co-Leaders
IMK, Rene, @Blue Wall
Warlords
@David, @AZF1, Pkbros, Dennisbruv, @Homedawg ....
Councils
@Dalejamesw, Shinobi, Jelle, Cutekiyaa, Murray
Storm Trooper
@Rohan, @Pengy, Zedest (his energy at fights was contagious) @Geezerpunk (P2P god), Demon

 

edit: broke the rules, w/e

You want 5 leaders you absolute mad man?