Xero

I would like to preface this by saying this was not written by myself and I am unsure of who the author is, but in discussion with 3lite, we believe that it most likely was authored by him.  Below is a history of Eternal Honour, previously written and documented in some dark hole internet archive.  There is a lot of good stuff in here.  It captures the time from EH's inception through our 4th Official War (post wildy/BH multi era, deep CWA era).  

 

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On August 26, 2006 a decision was made which took many people by surprise, Flummbullen and Hurtbullen had made the choice to close Sacred Templars, leaving many loyal and dedicated clan members without a home. Amidst the chaos and turmoil of a clan and family closing, a number of members took it upon themselves to try and gather others around them, to create a new family. Silentdeathe, Ommoht, Lord Grug and King Zalbag approached Broski, asking him to help lead a new clan, one which would offer a new opportunity and home for those who had lost theirs, as well as a place to make a new name for themselves, to start a new legacy, one of their own. After jumping at the opportunity to play a role in the development of a new clan, brimming with potential; Broski was at first unsure of himself and his own capabilities, having a decidedly large pair of boots to fill left by Flummbullen as a leader. However, despite his apprehensiveness, Broski stepped up large to the task, being one of the original three Grand Officers, alongside Lord Grug and Ommoht. Upon further consideration, the decision was made to add a fourth Grand Officer, one of GMT
orientation, and thus Pt37 was selected.

 

The next step was the most crucial, sending out the PM’s to carefully selected, dedicated, loyal members to create a core for EH to grow from. After spending many days gathering members on temporary forums, the new family stood strong at 70 members, but without a name. The name came on a whim, with a simple desire to express the clan’s ideals and morals. Thus, Eternal Honour was born. The name embodied everything the clan was to stand for, Honour, self respect, pride, respect towards others, the list is endless. So here EH stood, amidst the shadows, 70 members strong, young, impressionable, ready to take the clan world by storm and prove themselves.

 

One busy week after it all began, EH would move to their new, permanent forums that they would call home. Much of the start for EH would not have been possible had it not been for Gr4ffik, he was the original, and current forum admin, words can’t thank him enough for what he has done for our clan. Many members were encouraged to post suggestions on what they thought would be of need to improve the clan and allow our family to prosper. After collecting their thoughts and ideals, EH would then move as a collective in one direction, with a goal in mind. The first step came with closing their doors to the outside and stopping acceptance of applications. Council members and PK Leaders were then selected after a vote. The PK Leader selections were Flabbergast3, Striker 36 and 3lite. The council choices were Hotgurl71, Mistressabbs, SwtKittN and Silentdeathe (founder, appointed as default council). At this point, EH was ready, and they set a nervous, yet confident foot out into the clan world.  In doing so, we opened our introductions, receiving many new, excited potential members wanting to be apart of EH and what we stood for. Many of the original applicants came from DE, as well as various other clans. Some time later, we opened our applications and accepted the first wave of members who were non-ST. We had lost many members who had joined impulsively after ST closed, the new members allowed us to balance out our member count with the switches.

 

The time had come to test the waters of the clan world. Happy to be back out in the wilderness, there was much excitement surrounding our first PK trips, which in turn led to our ridiculous activity, with only 70 members, pulling 50+ to PK trips. Whilst still being rusty and figuring out the best way to work with a new group of people and leadership, we had our share of clashes with many respectable clans. Our first run-in found us pitted against Wilderland and in turn led to a loss – our first as a clan. We took it hard on the chin though, turning up the next day for another trip, running into Wilderland again, this time, EH emerged the victor. Another of our early fights was against the combined forces of Titans + Collision. Despite being horrible outnumbered, we fought for a very long time, both clans had a significantly larger memberbase to pull from, however we did not go down without a fight. That day we proved what we were capable of, we made a name for ourselves and we continued to push hard, showing our determination and heart in any way we could.

 

Over time our name became commonplace on the toplists, being recognized as an up and coming clan had it’s benefits, but it also had it’s drawbacks. There were many expectations, as well as large shoes to fill, often being viewed as the successor clan to Sacred Templars. One of the first large-scale returning fights EH participated in was given to us by none other than The Gladiatorz. An old name, well respected and knowing for giving solid fights, we clashed with Gladz in what would prove to be our longest fight yet as a clan. As time wore on, we began to gain a feel for what returning really was, however when the dust settled, EH emerged as the last clan standing, proudly claiming the win in what was our stepping stone into long fights.

 

Our membercount continued to grow with time, first reaching the 100 member mark, which permitted us the ability to challenge such clans as BK and TMRD to wars, which we used to improve ourselves. Win or Lose, we stood to gain something from every fight we had, we analyzed our opponents and we learned from them. We would continue to do our best to live up to our potential. The time had come to search for our first official war. The desired opponent, based upon the size of our clans and the skill level was BK, whom which we publicly declared upon, only to have them decline. This left us searching more, only to be approached by The Dynasty with a war offer. And so the stage was set for our first Official War, EH vs TD. We had the numbers advantage, while TD had the levels and experience working with each other. Confidence as well as determination showed in our commitment to this fight after a long week of preparation and practices. All EH members turned up proud, in identical gear, amulets, capes, boots, I’s dotted and T’s crossed to the letter. With just under 100 members at the time, we managed to pull 220 options, a stunning turnout over 75% of our memberbase. The fight was swift, with EH emerging with around 200 options, the victory was decisive.

 

From that day forward we continued to improve, never looking back, always looking to the future and what we could do to improve. Fight after fight we became better, our member count continued to prosper and grow, soon we began to challenge the best. We had many long, drawn out fights with DS, the clan whom was considered to be the giant, the #1 clan, that which cannot be defeated. Many of these fights were hard fought, EH pulling over 300 options many times. We stood our ground against any clan who came at us, DF, DI, we did not run scared, we stayed and fought, proving that we ran from nobody, we stood our ground with pride.

 

The time had come to look for our second Official War, another chance to test our mettle, to see what we were made of. Publicly declaring on RSC towards VR, whom we were on good terms with at the time would lead to our next war. After a few hours of negotiations, terms and date were agreed, set in stone as a two week preparation war, to be held on February 17th. EH bolstered a member count of 145 at the war date, VR showing strong with 130-135 members. EH pulled a stunning 330 options to the war, in comparison to VR’s 290. After some interference from crashers, many VR had felt that it strongly affected the outcome, although both sides suffered losses. EH emerged with the win, standing strong with 140 options. Our improvement since our last Official War was obvious, but it would not end here. EH continued to improve, at one point we were approached for a one day prep war by THE, a warring powerhouse known for pulling immense numbers. EH proved themselves this day with an incredible show of activity, outpulling THE, pulling over 399 opts, maxed opts to a war, only time EH had done so on a warring scale. The war was swift, with EH ending with a stunning amount of people remaining, in excess of 350 opts. This would be the peak of EH’s activity and shine as one of our best turnouts in our history.

 

Shortly after the war, EH ran into its first official snag - the slump. One of Eternal Honour's Grand Officers would leave, and with him, many of his close friends. Due to the reasoning of his leaving, the clan was unsure what to think- They were devastated with the fact that one of EH's cornerstones was leaving. Many were confused, many were not sure what to think. After Pt and his company had departed, another wave of leaving had occurred - Those who were sick of large clans and long fights, those who felt our community was not what it used to be, and simply those who wanted a change of scenery. WG was re-surfacing again, and due to it - the large amount of WG members that came to us when WG was having problems, left. After the dust had settled, and the remaining members looked around and gathered their bearings - we had depleted from a member count of 150 to under 120. The duration of the leavings lasted from Mid-February to the beginning of March. After they had departed, the remaining members were uncertain, and left with low spirits. We had entered our first depression. Members were unhappy, and left in shellshock from the mass leaving. But with weeks of endurance, many, many amazing members being encouraging, suggestive and keeping up peoples spirits - we got back on our feet.

 

We regained our spirit, our heart, and we had recovered. We lasted through our slump, and shook it off. We went back to being the force we were, fighting, improving - fixing our community, lengthening our FA process, putting in measures that would help support the growth of our community, fix the problems that had led to our member depletion - and set ourselves right back on track. Our member-count has never bolstered since, but we do not NEED a large member count. Regardless of how many members we have - we will be the best we can be. No matter how many fights we lose, no matter what happens - we will improve. We have shown it time and time again, that the determination and dedication of our members is unmatched in any clan. We can not ask for a better group of people.

 

From this point on, things took a downward turn, after the controversy surrounding our Official War with VR, our relationship turned ugly. VR had a vendetta, and that meant hunting us down anytime we were out PK’ing. However, we were not a clan to be taken lightly. We knew full well what to expect every time we set foot into the wilderness. This would be the start of what would come to be known as one of the biggest rivalries in the clan community. A rivalry that pushed the limits of our clan in terms of fighting, we were forced to improve in order to compete. VR is a clan known for their tanking, for being the pioneers of it, having some of the best tanks in the game. The rivalry was intense, incurring many fights in the wilderness. EH managed to emerge victorious in their share of the fights, as did VR. Things went back and forth, even going so far as to stretch the limits of flaming, taking things outside of the game. At one point, even a forum hacking was involved. Eventually this heated rivalry began to die off, as VR stopped hunting EH, due to reasons that are quite complicated, but VR’s doing. Seeing as EH never hunted VR, we simply stood our ground, the rivalry began to die away.

 

After a period of time, it became apparent that there was a need for another Official War. After searching, our opponent was to be none other than The Titans, often considered one of the best warring clans in the game. Due to their known prowess as tanks, also boasting a high combat average, TT would be a difficult task for EH to step up to. After a long two week prep, EH massed up on May 5th, pulling a solid 249 options to compare with TT’s 210 opts. Despite the large number difference, TT put up a solid fight, however 40 minutes later when the dust settled, EH would emerge the victor with 170 options remaining, continuing EH’s unbeaten streak in Official Wars.

 

Not long after, things began changing for EH, our opponents changed slightly as VR dropped out of the picture for a short while, we began butting heads with DI and Corr on a more regular basis, both tough clans whom tested the limits of our dedication, forcing us to spend long hours returning and competiting, trying our best for the sake of a win. On one pleasant Saturday, EH headed up with the intention of acquiring a fight with Damage Inc, whom we had been told were out PK’ing. After talking with Brian, terms had been agreed to and the fight began. Things started off incredibly well, it seemed as if we were taking a somewhat quick advantage, only for the circumstances to change drastically in what was to come. After an appearance by Corruption, both DI and EH ceased fighting in an effort to sort out the situation at hand. After the dust settled, it was obvious that our fight was simply not meant to be.

 

The next set of events would be one that would define the next path of the clan world, be it for the better or worse, that was yet to be decided. Shortly after the occurrence during the DI fight, a fight was scheduled between Eternal Honour and Corruption for the following day, a Sunday. The goal was simple – revenge. EH is not a clan which simply allows themselves to sink low in a petty manner designed for payback, hindsight would show that the choice was likely not the best. However, blinded by human nature and frustration, the deed was decided and the plan hatched. The plan would be seen by all the next afternoon. So the scene was set, EH and Corr, toe to toe in the wilderness in what was set as a grudge match, Corr having no idea what was to come. Both clans fought hard, EH performing well, keeping pace with Corr early into the fight. Then without warning, DF rushed from one side, VR from the other, quickly causing quick and utter chaos, all three clans in turn piling any Corr members in sight. Corr was quickly dispersed, leaving the three clans standing together as one in the wilderness, a common enemy had been found in Corr. In a weird turn of events, VR was now on the same ‘side’ as EH in what would come to be known as the cluster fights era.

 

Reflecting back on this decision, it was not the best decision to make, nor the most moral, however the deed was done and we would have to live with our choice. It was a weak moment in the history of EH. In the next few weeks, what would follow would be a series of cluster fights, with sides pitted against each other, staging the clan world into three groups, those two fighting each other, and those staying out of it all. It was comparable to a World War on a pixelated scale. After the hype surrounding the cluster fights began to die down, there were two major PKRI’s that EH would participate in before what would be the most drastic change the clan world will have faced yet. In what appeared to be an increasingly heated situation between EH and EoS, tensions were growing over time. Small fights breaking out here and there would eventually lead up to what would be one of the longest fights in EH’s history as a clan, 12 hours of fighting takes a toll on anyone, it only further proves the dedicated members EH has, those who are willing to do whatever it takes for their clan to succeed. 12 hours were spent fighting EoS on what would prove to be a late night, which would further increase the tension between our two clans. This would not prove to be EH’s longest fight though. That title would be held by, and is still held by Collision. In what would prove to be a stressful fight, EH and Collision went toe to toe for 14 hours, neither clan having any desire to give up, both clans putting all their heart and soul into it, wanting the win so badly, however, Collision would prove to have something that EH did not. Collision wasn’t just fighting for a victory, they were fighting for a person. Having recently lost a member, Col was fighting to honour the death of not just a clan member, but a friend, it takes something unheard of to overcome that type of motivation, and at the end of the day, we did not have it. Col would walk out with the victory after 14 hours, long fought and hard earned.

 

This would prove to be the last fight that EH would have in the wilderness prior to Jagex’s dramatic change to the game, which effected the clan world immensely. On February 19th, 2008, Jagex removed the wilderness from the game, thus effectively eliminating PK’ing as we knew it. The attack option in the wilderness was gone. In turn, Jagex left us with a new alternative, Bounty Hunter, which would be known as BH. BH was an arena, within the walls of which was contained a multi combat arena with little to nothing to hug for obstacles. Some clans preferred the new way of PK’ing, some despised it. All were forced to accept it, seeing as Jagex left us with no other alternative. One positive benefit of this day would be the Clan Wars Arena. A gift from Jagex, the arena allowed two clans two war in a safe environment, free from crashers and returning to a war. There would prove to be a number of downsides and glitches in the new arena, most would work themselves out with time. The most obvious downside would be the 100 person cap placed on the arena, which still has yet to be fixed. The changes to the community would force clans to re-evaluate the way they function and how they setup their fights, due to a confined space, restricted to a number of worlds, it made it extremely easy to run into clans, thus providing a field day for large clans and a nightmare for those who got in their way.

 

This stage would prove to be what is arguably the worst stretch in EH’s history. After the removal of multi, many people quit the game, clans lost many valued members. These would be known as the dark days for EH. At one point, before the switch from the Wilderness to Bounty Hunter, our member count dropped so far as the low 70’s, leaving us stripped to our core of hardened, dedicated members. We were left with those who would be there no matter what, our strong, resilient members, yes these were dark days, but these would be the members who would do whatever it took to bring EH back. And bring EH back they did. With time, we proved ourselves in BH, redeeming our loss against Collision numerous times, as well as drastically improving our warring ability as a clan. We began to master the art of capped fights, improving our ability and becoming adept with melee sniping. EH was quickly becoming known as a clan which boasted one of the better warring skillsets, that of strong organization, solid binding and sniping. Our member count, whilst still low, would continue to grow from this point. Our dedicated core of members would not fail us, we fought hard, doing everything we could to improve, taking an active role in the CJ tourney, starting out strong in many categories, eventually we would end up in the finals of the 20 vs 20 category, something that would have been unheard of for EH a year back.

 

Having worked hard to recover from our dark days, EH was looking to gain back their former place as a recognized clan, and as such a fight was scheduled with DI, always a powerhouse clan, always a difficult opponent. Little did the EH members know going into this fight that it would be their last in a multi combat zone as a PKRI. Having spent a number of hours working out the rules for the fight, the motivation put in place, the day arrived. EH would square off with DI after a long search for a world in what would prove to be one of their hardest fights in BH Multi ever. For four hours both clans fought hard, many times the momentum went back and forth. Both clans put forward an incredible effort. At the end of the four hour cap DI would stand tall with the higher option count, but no EH would hang their head, having given DI a fight to remember. 

 

The next major fight EH would attempt would be a tall task indeed. Having never beaten Corruption in anything except a 20 vs 20 for the CJ tournament; EH had their hands full after setting up and prepping for what would prove to be their most hyped fight in a long time. Alas, it was never to happen. Only days before the fight was scheduled to take place, Jagex struck once again. This time, the effect was more devastating. Rather than changing the way multi combat functioned in their game, Jagex simply removed it entirely, with the exception of the Clan Wars Arena. Clans were left with no option for PK’ing, only warring remained. The community lay stunned and the future uncertain. The next few months would prove trying for many clans, those whom were extremely PK based would struggle, whereas those whom were accustomed to warring would prosper. A new era was born, that which was highly dependent upon organization, tanking became crucial, as well as the turnout. The environment is one that EH was well suited for and would use to their advantage. Having been well accustomed to clan wars since it’s release, EH knew well how it functioned, whereas many of the other clans had scoffed at the Clan Arena, labeling it as unnecessary.

 

These next months became a blur, being run together with more wars than could be kept track of, wins would come and go on opponents; RAW wars would become more commonplace. One war which would stand out clearly would be EH’s fourth Official War. Red Devil Clan had approached EH looking for an opponent for a RAW war and EH gladly accepted the challenge. RDC would prove to be tougher than EH had anticipated. Country clans have the advantage of being able to pull high turnouts, since they are all in the same timezone. This would lead to a large importance placed on turnout for EH. As both clans massed up for the fight, their turnouts were equally impressive. RDC, however, would prove to have the numerical advantage for the war, forcing EH to work hard in an attempt to come back. EH fought hard, but were no match for RDC on that day. RDC were simply brilliant, giving a strong performance, they handed EH their first loss in an Official War. A loss is important, but learning from it is more important, and that’s just what EH would do. Continue to learn and improve their abilities.

 

There are clans and then there are families. Some come and go, some stay eternal. Families stick together through anything, through the hard times and the good times, no matter what, they stay strong. Eternal Honour is a family and will always hold strong those values which have made them what they are. To take pride in one’s work is to cherish it, to show others how much you care, how you live your life and how you value respect. The history of EH has been filled with both dark times and bright times. Let there be many more good times to come. Fight as one, fight as family, fight together.

EH PRIDE.

11 minutes ago, Crest227 said:

@Xero

 

I was never sure. Blk was one of my best friends for years and another girl in our friends circle brought it to my attention. Someone who knew Blk in real life ppubnkerking or something told sweetpus that Blk was not a girl and just pretending to be one. All the drama when you’re 14-15 generally overwhelms any type of reasoning lol.

 

 

Obviously I regret how it went down, not the joining Eh part, but the Blk thing. Losing someone like that is retarded looking at it in retrospect. I’ve lost a ton of friends throughout the years over stupid irrational shit like that, or clan politics/drama. When you have that you’re either with me or against me mentality like I’ve had everytime I’ve taken a clan seriously, it’s never left much room for anything else.

 

 

I think that mentality, ride or die for your clan instinct was natural for past generations of clanners. Multiclanning was frowned upon, against the rules. Any fringr behaviour was scrutinized and if you had a bad reputation it would really impact your chances of pursuing anything clan wise.

 

 

Since I’m one of the odd ones to have been in the clan world for most of it’s existence. It was anthema to me teams were made and all those restrictions/boundries started to evaporate. I remember running from 1v1’s was Nh, praying was Nh. There should be a topic made on how world 3 was the watering hole of the early clan world if people wanted to dig into clan history. I used to hang out at hill giants with Kidefence512, half dollar, I ran into Yoto and Yoda there too all the time. Speedhawaii was one of my favorite world 3 castle pkers. I can’t remember what world was “the”’s home world, actual home worlds where clans made their members play on. Invading them would cause flame wars, fights in the wild. Hobgoblins was the spot to kill TF at, even Di members like Bibleboy would come there to fight. I introduced some of my best friends like Thugster1, Ambersky and Lancer 3000 to this crap.

 

Sorry for the derail! To put us back on track, correct me if I’m wrong, but this is how I viewed Eh’s history: Zf—-St—Eh? Not sure why but I always thought there was some connection to Se(not the team) as well.

Thanks for the backstory!  Yes, ZF -> ST -> EH.  Shadow Elves was not connected to these clans in any way/shape/form.  

11 hours ago, I Kill Batty said:

If @MILAD and Rocky238 got into a fight, who would win?

Rocky.  This legend and I share the same first name so naturally he would win.  

3 hours ago, EoMeri said:

Interesting read, thanks for the AMA.

You're welcome!

On 11/29/2020 at 2:34 AM, Crest227 said:

I remember me and Silverdemon2 trying to join this clan. Grug was the one who talked me into it. Problem was there was a member named blknight in it which had been exposed in my friends circle as being a man pretending to be a girl.

 

So of course this person wanted to avoid us like the plague and cried to Broski. Broski gave me and Silver an ultimatum. He would let us try to join if we would drop the accusations about blk’s gender. Before I could even answer, Silver went on the topic and said fuck that, Blk’s a man. So i got banned off the forums looool.

 

So I ended up back in Vr or Corr, can’t remember which. But I would of actually joined Eh. I respected what they had going on. My limited perception was they had a good commmunity, a completely different culture of people to interact with from what I usually was around. That was what I was seeking, a solid place with less toxicity to join. Good times lol.

Are you sure blk nkight was not female?  How do you know?  Kayla never gave me a reason to believe otherwise.  

On 11/29/2020 at 6:17 AM, Anton said:

Hi everyone, Reg 104 here. 

 

My question is for 3lite or any of the other officials.

 

When I joined EH it was to follow my Auzzie brother, Rocky238. He actively pissed in my ear and attempted to recruit me for months..as well as many other people to the clan..I don't even know if he knew he was doing it..sneaky! Rocky spoke extremely highly of the officials of the the clan, especially Islamia, 3lite, Slaughter and UnbrokenXero. 3lite was DEFINITELY his man crush..he loved him more than me! When I joined the clan I was surprised at how well loved he was by the members..for hours going crazy on TS, never leaving until it was over (usually pretty pissed and cranky if we called it) 

 

• QUESTION: If he hadn't left..I'd like to think he may have eventually moved up the ranks especially under his bromance 3lite's guidance? Thoughts?
  • EDIT: QUESTION: Did EH's skilling community / non-warring members / community have an effect on EH's ability in quickly assembling for spur trips and fights? I personally think we had a pretty good balance..however, I did find it frustrating at times as I loved the thrill of a fight. 

 

 

• Most of the questions I thought of have been answered through the thread. 
• For me, looking back on my time at EH..I loved every minute of it, It was the first larger clan I ventured to after leaving the AEST tz. and it was one of the funnest experiences I had on the game.  Best moment for me - The 12-15 hour pkri with VR where we finally finished them near Spider Hill.

Thanks for organising this and allowing people the opportunity to pose questions that have been on people's minds. 

 

 

 

 

I did not know Rocky well enough later in his tenure in the clan.  He seemed like a great personality.  Cannot comment though on whether he would have excelled as a rank or not.  I think 3lite answered this one well.  

 

Possibly contentious statement here, but I think it's factual.  EH's skilling community did not want to be a part of any spur PK trips, only the large planned efforts and sometimes even then that was a stretch.  Therefore, spur PK trips were always a smaller effort, which depending on who you ran into, could become a large effort and EH was at a significant handicap because certain individuals would refuse to participate.  

On 11/29/2020 at 7:43 AM, Vegeta said:

u guys still in touch with green viking was a old school friend of mine back in 04/05

I wish.  He's a legend.  If anyone could find him it would be great to get in touch with him again.  

17 hours ago, Flummbullen said:

As someone that wasn't around during the period of EH, it's been really interesting to read about your experiences and, from my perspective, especially how EH continued and adapted some of the values carried across from ST. I think it's safe to say that EH became it's own thing and in many ways eclipsed the clans that came before it.

 

Not having been around for the late 2006 to 2009 era, my questions are more focused on the transition from ST to EH.

 

What were your opinions on ST closing when and how it did? Did your perspective change when you later decided to close EH?

 

What were some things from ST you valued and carried across to EH?

 

What were some things from ST you didn't like and were glad to leave in the past and change how they were done in EH?

 

Did EH cop any grief for being a "remake" (EH definitely seems to have outgrown any such ideas though), similar to how ST would get comments about the ZF past (despite there being an actual ZF-remake)? Do you have any general thoughts on the line of clans leading up to EH and of it affected anything for you?

 

@Grug why has every clan you've been in closed and why is it your fault? ? Jk you know I love you. Think it shows the dedication you always had to what you signed up for!

I was barely in the door at ST when it closed.  That being said, I think it was abrupt.  ST's tenure barely lasted until the 1 year mark.  The clan flamed out very quickly which I think was surprising to many people.  I still think it was abrupt, and albeit a bit selfish to close rather than transfer the mantle of leadership.  EH has proven there were many capable leaders present in ST who could have carried the clan further forward.  Because of this, ST is simply a footnote in the history book of EH.  (No offense meant, simply my perspective).  

 

I remember at the start many people calling EH out as just a remake of ST but that faded with time.  I think it's due to the sustained success EH had and longevity compared to ST.  

2 minutes ago, Clark Kent said:

May have been asked already, but best rivalry over the years? When I was DF there was a month (2008/2009ish) EH/DF went back and forth for a few fights and at the time I do remember being extremely motivated to fight EH.

VR and it's not even close for me.  They were arch enemy #1.  

9 minutes ago, true said:

Hey Uber, heard lots of good things about you. Make yourself at home. ❤️ 

He has an OSRS account.  

8 minutes ago, 3lite said:

 

 

 

Quote didn't show up right.  Oh well.  I remember Corr as a clan that was very difficult to setup fights with.  Because of this, the fights were fewer and more spread out.  There are some clans that EH matched up better with, Corr was one of those we did not match up well against in my opinion.  I always felt like fights with Corr were an uphill battle and Corr did an exceptional job targeting our fall in leaders and making us take the brunt of it.  Maybe that's where my perspective shifts, because while our callers and fall in leaders were taking the heat, the pile survived and the members were able to hold up and do more damage.  I remember that fights against Corr and DI my death counts were 50-60+ every fight.  So while I spent the fight getting my ass kicked, EH as a whole could have performed exceptionally well.  

5 hours ago, Victor said:

Legends.

You give us too much credit haha.  We weren't in it for the glory.  

5 hours ago, Kiwi said:

We actually found out you guys did this, and would start doing this at the end of Pkri's/wars. Not nearly as often as you guys did tho.

 

Then we had posts on forums showing the best hugging spots and what not.

Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.  

3 hours ago, Patrick said:

is your favorite color green

No.

2 hours ago, Hat said:

who was your best binder / blaster and why was it @Rclav

We had a few exceptional ones but Lil Blaknite and Xxxjay666 (Teemo) always stood out to me.  

1 hour ago, Applerune said:

Hello! Thanks for doing the AMA.

 

Lots of talk about COR from 3lite - I wonder what your take is on your retirement fight and "3lites castle." Forgive me for not remembering every detail and if any of that was wrong feel free to correct. I mean this as no disrespect at all... but I don't remember losing to EH (joined in 2008). Can you expand on that March 2009 fight? Seems you remember things a bit better than I do.

 

 

You're welcome!  Been a fun trip down memory lane.  

23 minutes ago, Uber said:

My rsn back in the day was Uber N00blet, and I was a commander (Pk leader) in Eh from sometime in 2006 to about 2008. Really cool of 3lite, Xero, S17 and Grug to do this thread. It brings back A LOT of memories, but was a member from the start (and was in St from start to finish as well).

 

 

I can't point to the exact timeframe, and I can't speak for about mid-2008 and forward (I retired around that time), but I'd say our peak while I was there was probably about a year or so after the clan was created. Maybe mid 2007? We were in the discussion with about 4 other clans for the #2 spot. It was super competitive at the time, because I from what I remember us and about 4-5 other clans were very similar in strength. I don't remember who it was, but there was a consensus #1 was at the time (probably Di). Some of those fights we had around that time were A LOT of fun. We were constantly pulling somewhere between 80-100 people, and I felt like we were also one of the most organized. Those fights with VR especially I remember being a lot of fun because of the sort of rivalry we had with them above any other clan really.

 

It was really cool starting from scratch and being happy with turnouts of around 40-50 and building the clan into what it became.

Uber!  Good to see you on here dude.  

7 hours ago, I Kill Batty said:

How do you feel about the ruins east of new gate's name still being called 3lites castle fairly frequently

This was after my time.  I didn't even know it had that nickname.  

7 hours ago, XshinobizX said:

This was a good read lol. There's a lot of information here.

Broski was a stud, and I always liked Islamia. I had a forums spy at the height of our rivalry, and I remember having screenshots of all the trash posted in your internal forums about DF. I posted them around our boards to get us motivated to fight you guys. I think it worked.

Actions like this are an example of what I believe soured the relationship between EH and DF.  But we were never truly allies.  Just had a mutual respect.  That respect definitely declined over the years.  

7 hours ago, I Kill Batty said:

What did each of you feel were the peaks of the clan? what made you feel that way?

This is a challenging question.  3lite gave a solid answer earlier.  I vividly remember the first win over DI, the VR rivalry carried so much significance and our rivalry with EoS.  CWA was a strange time but I felt this was an area where EH's organization really showed and allowed us to excel where others who had relied on returning and numbers for success fell flat.  

5 hours ago, Kiwi said:

@3lite

 

I think it's crazy that we had met that long ago and then ended up in massive clans battling one another from time to time. 

 

Always loved EH, what you guys stood for, specially in a world where those Honorable lines where often blurried and crossed, you guys remained hands down the most honorable clan. Mad respect.

Thank you.  It's nice to hear that it didn't go unnoticed.  

5 hours ago, Adam_ said:

Is there another game (doesn't have to have been out at the time though obviously it only would've worked that way in actuality) you could've seen yourselves successfully moving to instead of closing, similar to how EoS moved to Albion albeit after a bit of waiting? What game?

 

Do you guys play any other games now?

 

@3lite You posted a rather detailed but accurate post imo about why the clan world is the way it is and mentioned how a lot of it is resultant of a strong level of toxicity. If you were put in charge or advising someone put in charge who had full control over the clan world and could make whatever changes, what would you do to address this level of toxicity within reason? Aka banning certain individuals, putting physical ingame restrictions in place such as preventing 1 iteming, creating certain game rules, or whatever else? This is assuming you were to prevent the "kings of ashes" so to speak but obviously with a bit more power than the general player or clan leader would have, but presumably without just saying 'ok we're all just doing CWA now'.

^ If any of the other 3 of you would want to answer that as well then feel free i'd love to hear the answers.

 

It's the peak of EH and you're in a meeting with 1 representative from each clan at the time to discuss the clan world, the issues it has and the future of it. Which person would you ideally be dealing with from each clan? 

I raided at a top level in WoW for many years after retiring from EH and RS.  WoW is the only other game I've played significantly.  The cultures I've come across in WoW weren't nearly as dynamic and rivalry focused as the RS clan world was.  I think it is because of the nature of the game.  PvE is not comparable to PvP.  For this reason I don't think EH would have been the same in WoW, but EH's community aspect would have really supported a successful guild.  

 

i don't know that I can fairly answer the last question.  There were leaders I respected but my role was fight focused as opposed to mending relationships and big picture discussions surrounding the future of the clan world.  

14 hours ago, Flukejiver said:

Looking back, do you have any decisions you regret making during your time in EH?

Just leaving and not being outspoken enough when I felt the clan was not achieving its potential.  

11 hours ago, Eric`` said:

How many times did you each strike @MILAD

None.  Despite wishing I could have.  Strikes were not issued by Commanders.  

8 hours ago, Vanzant said:

Why yes, let me tell you a tale. I remember the early days of EH we did skirmish with one another a couple times

Yes.  I remember these skirmishes!

8 hours ago, Monkey said:

I think this hits the nail on the head. People are so intent on winning that they’ll do just about anything. That, in combination with the advantage a clan has from effectively sucking the fun out of the game for their opponent, has led to things spiraling out of control. Early on, people rationalized certain changes (dragging, returning, etc.) as the clan world evolving, and maybe there was some truth to that. But for the last several years it’s been a race to the bottom.

 

I don’t have any questions for you all about EH, but I wanted to apologize to those of you who were there (3lite, Grug, Xero, Krystal, to name a few) for the way I acted during my time there. I was an immature little shit, not to mention a dick to some of you on a personal level.

MonkeyFBI135?  If so, no worries, that was over a decade ago.  I try not to hold grudges!

8 hours ago, Josh said:

I don't really have a question, but thanks for the memories. I always remember ST and EH as a good clan to fight against with similar values to myself (even if I'd just troll around on Zybez). After DI closed, It was either TT or EH who I'd join next.

 

Best of luck to you all.

Thank you!

20 hours ago, Empire Mind said:

Hey @3lite @Vanuckle how's it been?

Haven't talked to you 3lite since the good day coming back to OSRS and finding you at the rogue place cooking and we talked for a while and I thought you were coming back to the game at that point.

Did you guys ever feel "hyped/more determined" to winning a fight when going against a certain clan and it'd change your attitude/leadership style for the whole fight?
 

It was very easy to motivate people to right VR, DI, EoS, etc.  Those clans publicly flamed EH and made their disdain clear and this made it easy to rally the clan to the cause.  It was easier to feed off that energy as a caller and leader as opposed to trying to create that passion and enthusiasm from nothing.  

19 hours ago, I Kill Batty said:

What -apart from people quitting- do you feel has lead to the decline of pvp clanning overall?

Lack of clan support from Jagex.  If there was more of a structured clan support system in place, maybe the clan world wouldn't have devolved as much as it has.  

17 hours ago, Brian said:

To be a clan leader we all know you need to put a serious amount of hours into it, almost as if it was a full time job. Do any of you regret the amount of time you spent on RS during those years looking back on it now?

I don't.  I achieved my degree, I have a successful career job and I received hours of entertainment and enjoyment.  The long fights were exhausting but I don't regret the time I committed to the game as a whole.  

15 hours ago, true said:

Who would you say is the most overrated clan of all time?

Of all time is a pretty significant statement.  So I will say for my era, it was Collision.  

15 hours ago, Kenny said:

Not a question but good to see you do an AMA. EH is a clan that I was aware of but didn't know much about, at the time I was mainly P2P focused clan wise. 

Appreciate it!

14 hours ago, Rclav said:

Hi Guys,

 

No questions from me but wanted to express my gratitude towards EH's leadership team. Having been my first "big clan" in RS, I have so many great memories from my time in EH. Everyone here's leadership had a lot to do with that. 

 

Miss you all!

 

#FindIslamia2020

Thank you man!

Old name!

2 hours ago, david said:

What do you think about today's callers compare to older days, can't say much since you pretty much only hear me, tim, tika and true

The game is so different now I don't think you can compare the two.  The meta is so foreign.  

2 hours ago, Dark Invoker said:

Do you think being involved in clanning at such deep level at (assumedly) a younger age helped you out later in life? (The reason I ask is that your clan was founded upon a particular set of values that resonated with your members and ranks - something a lot of brands are doing in the 21st century to build a community / brand image)

 

Do you have any regrets from your clanning or playing days?

 

Any good / funny stories of how Runescape effected your lives back then? (playing so much and being so commited to a clan was a full time gig)

 

 

I didn't have a social life anyway, I was a massive introvert in college.  This just filled the void.  I replaced RS with WoW eventually.  

1 hour ago, MILAD said:

Not really a question, but I thought I'd express a few things that I've taken with me in my life that actually taught me and shaped me in a way to become that part of my personality. 

 

 

As leaders of the clan, officials and members, all playing their different roles and part to its success, I had the utmost respect for most knowing deep down that they cared for our success. In EH, being that guy with an ego was not tolerated. The collective trophies were more valued than the individual accomplishments, such as praise and awards. The respect shown from the leaders, the attitude and the power of character were displayed in a very genuine, yet strict manner which obviously were strong points of a great leader, with great symathy and understanding, but characterized to stay loyal to duty and put the organization before anyone. I do admit @3lite protecting me a lot and that showed me that sometimes, in life, you can't be square about things and that exceptions sometimes have to be made and not give up on someone. 

 

 

I learned, despite the fact of how I act around people on any platform related to the game, how to be mature and handle situations with great care, dialogue and patience. I was given a chance to become a part of a community after 3 intros I made. At the time, I was angry and furious, Today, I understand that it was because the officials that declined me back then had their reasons and they were loyal to them, despite the fact that deep down inside, they knew I'd be a great addition, but principles are always a first. 

 

 

What I loved and hated about EH was one of those things. Strict, yet understanding of the concept that sometimes exceptions have to be made. And at the same time, we could meet each other half way (with the officials). I admired the time and effort put into the clan, from every single official and member ever involved, in particular Islamia. He was, hands down, the most intelligent guy in the game, well spoken and had EH as his full time job it seemed at the time. I think that everyone who was led by Islamia understood that. He taught me to be patient and wait before responding. I've taken all of those attributes with me to my life. And as corny as it sounds to some of you, I think about the scenarios of what would certain members/officials of EH do now in this situation which I am placed in, regardless if it's a good one or a bad one. 

 

 

In regards to the paragraph above, I joined the clan at the age of 12. I was a young, outspoken, vulgar, spastic kid, who joined the realm of the most honourable, grammar strict clan in the game. The fact that I survived 2.5 years still amazes me til this day and the fact that 3lite, Broski and Islamia didn't kick me still baffles me. I am grateful and truly appreciative for everything you guys have contributed to the clan, inside and outside. The prosperity of the clan was thanks to many great loyal members, but mostly to the leaders that guided it to its greatest success, both in the highs and the lows. 

 

 

❤️

Glad to have resonated with you!

57 minutes ago, Mk 17 said:

My post didn’t work but I wanted to say 

 

yea but most fellas thought you were srsly bent tho, how bent was the average eh member? 

Bent is all perspective.  I would argue that you're more bent than me ya goon.  

50 minutes ago, Mk 17 said:

Was it true that members in EH were striked for using vulgar language and not posting on the forums with proper grammar? 

Language yes depending on severity and context.  Grammar no.  

38 minutes ago, Mk 17 said:

How diverse was EH in general? How many eastern Europeans, South American’s and African Americans did you guys have? 

Very diverse.  A lot of GMT, a heavy Brazilian contingent and the Aussie/Kiwi unit was substantial.  This carried us through many fights.  

36 minutes ago, I Kill Batty said:

Opinion on Rocky238? He talked a lot of you up and seemed to think highly of EH in general.

Great dude!  3lite needs a restraining order for Rocky's protection.  

36 minutes ago, The End said:

How did you strike a balance between allowing members to have a sense of humor and policing certain rules/guidelines? Any funny stories that you remember on the top of your head while in EH? 

Surprisingly enough it was a culture that fed on each other in that regard.  When someone stood out for breaking rules it was dealt with swiftly and fairly and no bias was given.  This led to a clear expectation for members.  

2 hours ago, Krystal said:

EH AMA hellllll yes.  I am so excited to see this AMA from the folks I spent some of my most enjoyable times in RS with!!  I look forward to reading through all of your responses! I apologize in advance if any of these questions have already been asked. I tried to do a quick glance through the topic to avoid repeats.

Unless otherwise specified, all of my clan-related questions are focused on when I was in EH which was 2006-2007.

 

@All:

1. Do you think @true is going overboard with the amount of questions he’s asking? I mean, good god, dude, save some questions for the rest of us. LOL.

Attention whore gonna attention whore.  Kidding.  Or am I...?

2. Were there any clans that stood out that you would have loved to have had as official allies? People often joked about EH & DF being buddy buddies and some even called us “Eternal Forces”. Could you have seen them as actually being a good clan as an ally, basically a clan that you felt shared similar sort of ideals as EH?

Fun vid I recorded back then of having a Deathmarch with them <3:

To me having official allies would have been a sign of weakness.  To be the best you need to be able to stand alone on top of the mountain.  

 

3. Brian mentioned that DI had a 13-hour PKRI with EH one time. Was this the longest PKRI that we had or is there one that comes to mind that was even longer? For each of you, I would like to know what your personal best marathon was – the longest that you stayed awake continuously for a PKRI?  Any struggles that you had? Crazy stories like having multiple bottles of pee piling up beside you as the night dragged on? ?  [If only it was that easy for us ladies…]

Too many to count.  DI, VR, EoS, Collision.  I lived alone in a studio apartment at the time.  No issues.  

4. Eternal Honour stressed maintaining a positive “honorable” image in the clan community, and one major place to do this was on RSC.  Conveniently, EH had many moderators on RSC that could assist in maintaining this image.. My question is, did you ever take advantage of our mod presence (I think there were like 5 of us at one point – I seriously almost made a pixel sig of our mod unit lmao) to help maintain this image? Such as requesting flame posts to be deleted (could’ve been against our own members or from opposing clans that would post things that made EH look bad) or even doing something like pushing to get people banned to eliminate them completely. If you did try to abuse them, were there any naughty EH mods that actually did delete posts for the sake of protecting EH’s image?

 

@3lite

❤️ My oldest RS friend. ? 

I am curious to know what other names were in the running when deciding upon the clan name.  Did Eternal Honour win by a landslide? Was there another name that the clan almost adopted?  Who originally proposed the name?

 

My memory is fuzzy.  I obviously remember we were in Gladz together in 2004, but when did you depart Gladz? What clans were you in before EH? How did you find your way to EH? Also, would you agree that green cape > all? ?  

 

 

@Grug

GRUGGLES MY FAVORITE AUSSIE ❤️ 

How many pounds of vegemite do you consume on a daily basis? What the hell does vegemite even taste like? Is it sweet or salty?

 

And same question I gave 3lite about the name: Just curious if there was another name that we almost had. ? 

 

@Xero

Hiii friend ❤️ As a leader on the battlefield, I’d like to know if you can think of a fight that you feel like you made a huge impact which contributed into EH being victorious in battle.  I know it’s been years, but perhaps there was a time when our fearless leader 3lite fell to the ground, and you seized the opportunity to organize our forces and keep the momentum going in his absence.

This is actually something I was known for.  I routinely would come in after getting off work and be the catalyst that sparked a huge EH rally that turned the tide late in a fight.  

@Vanuckle

Sup Trev? ? I am sad that I didn’t get to see you rise to Holy Commander! I would like you to compare and contrast Tempest & Eternal Honour for me, in various ways.  Could be wildy prowess, could be the community, ideals, etc. (Way to drop the ball on letting them pick blue cape btw; should’ve been green, man!)

 

4 hours ago, Go Leafs said:

Was there a member that retired when ST closed that you wish you had in EH? If so why? (Beyond Flum/Hurt)

I wasn't in ST long enough to know anyone.  

4 hours ago, true said:

3lite/Trevor/Xero

 

What callers from opposing clans did you respect the most?

Tough question.  At the time you didn't really get to listen to a lot of other callers.  You knew who callers were but that was the extent of it.  I respected the ones where the tide seemed to change if they were taking fall ins.  F1r3o, D0nts, Rad's, Mar.  

4 hours ago, Adam_ said:

Idk how many clans around these days were around back then, I assume these were so thoughts on these clans, and if you know anything about how they are nowadays, thoughts on that?

VR - Don't know anything about current VR.  

DK - Who?

RoT - No comment.  

DF - Don't know anything about current DF.  

EoS - No longer an RS clan?

 

Obviously Trevor and Xero still play so Grug/3lite - do you guys have any interest in playing the game again or even still play just not in clanning? What would it take to bring you back to the game? What would it take to get you back into clanning?

^For Trevor and Xero - if Tempest wasn't here would  you still be involved in clanning? If so, what clan. If not, would you play at all?

I actually came back to the game without clanning.  It was fun, an entirely different play experience without the clan aspect.  I was drawn in for the community.  Without Tempest I would still play.  Who knows if that would involve a clan or not.  

I think someone else already asked what the most NH thing you guys did was - so what was the most NH thing proposed that you guys ended up not going through with?

N/A

What's the worst thing you guys had to remove a member for - in both senses of the word worst. Aka someone you didn't feel should be removed but had to due to clan rules - and someone who REALLY deserved to be removed because they did something terrible.

I hate that Jon/Pure Fear 3/Plavljanic was removed.  Incredibly loyal guy.  Great member.  Sharing accounts was not permitted.  

Thoughts on the current state of PvP in general in RS and the clanning community? Including f2p/p2p/cwa/etc

The game is completely different than what I left.  I hate the box meta and miss hugging and being able to actually tank.  

On another game I played a long time ago a dutch kid named Stefan opened Eternal Honour and claimed he was part of the original clan, though I don't think he claimed he was an official or anything. To my knowledge there was no others in the clan claiming to be EH, though some people from 'real' rs clans like Brutality and other clans did end up in the clan, even if only briefly. Do you know who this Stefan guy may be / if he was actual EH, or did he just steal your name and make up a bunch of lies?

No idea who this is/was.  

If Jagex reached out to you today and said we want you to reopen - tell us what needs to happen. What would you tell them? Assuming other concerns were non existent (jobs/other irl stuff keeping you busy/being in other clans like Tempest)?

And if that happened and you reopened, what leadership team would you want and what people would you want in the clan?

 

What is one clan you never got to be a part of that you wish you had?

The Titans.  

Did you ever consider leaving EH for another clan? If so why, and what clan?

Did this.  Corruption.  Regret.  Previously answered.  

What clan did you have the most respect for? Least respect?

Most respect for TT and RSD.  Least respect - no comment.  

What clan was the most overrated in your opinion? This doesn't have to be just from the time EH was open if you've been around ages and seen a lot of clans obviously

Collision.  

Is there any funny / interesting stories that never really hit the public about things that happened in the clan that you remember? Or ones that have been lost through time.

 

Did/do you guys enjoy any content ingame other than PvP?

PvM.

Do you prefer F2p or P2p? Why? Thoughts on the one you don't prefer ?

F2P but P2P is looking more appealing to me than it ever has in the past.  

Who are 5 people you wish could be part of this AMA but aren't here? Going to guess Islamia will be a common answer for most of you

Broski and Islamia.  

What are some things during your time in EH leadership that really made you wish you weren't abiding by a code of honour - or made you consider even breaking said code?

We could easily have had #1 but our commitment to who we were held us back.  We remained true to ourselves in an environment where it was uncommon at best.  

 

6 hours ago, Lander said:

Thank you for this EH legends. Did EH have any rivarlies? If so which one was the biggest one and why?

VR.  Hands down.  These two clans were fated to be rivals from day one.  And it didn't disappoint.  

6 hours ago, Flukejiver said:

Which clan in your opinion was the most honorable (other than EH) and least honorable?

Most: TT and RSD.  

Least: RoT and NI.  

5 hours ago, Secret Agent said:

When I was in EH the most frustrating thing was the "no dragging rule" that clans exploited when they fought us -- how did this rule come to be and what were your thoughts about it?

 

Who was EH best caller and why was it not Milad?

It was a carryover from ST's days.  It was an archaic position that we eventually did away with out of necessity.  

 

Answered previously ?

4 hours ago, Vanuckle said:

 

Gonna make me blush, Trevor.  Also I can't believe someone remembered that.  I used it as a way to set myself apart.  It worked.  

8 hours ago, true said:

Who are some EH members that you think were instrumental to the clan's success that never served as officials? 

 

 

What kind of drama did EH have behind the scenes?

 

 

What mid-size/smaller clans did you respect the most and felt carried similar values to EH?

 

 

What are your thoughts on WG and His Lordship?

The list is massive.  EH had such a dedicated core.  I will probably miss most but, Babaseball, Green Viking, Jonezy50, Rvcwrestler, Ultimoruss, Xxxjay666 (shout-out to young Teemo), Cackerot (probably one of the best members ever), Grogdor J, Mr Mooij, Hammer455 (Absolutely rock solid member), Kinglee30.

 

At the time, I would say TT was a mid tier clan with an insane amount of potential.  This would come to fruition for them later on.  

 

Honestly, I never really followed WG.  I didn't really see them as relevant.  

7 hours ago, true said:

@Xero

 

Could you talk about your decision to briefly leave for Corruption? What about CoR appealed to you at the time over EH?

I figured this would come up haha.  I was frustrated with the direction that clan was being taken and didn't feel that we were being aggressive enough and that we were squandering an opportunity to seize the moment and make a significant push for #1.  Others disagreed with my position.  So I chose to go someplace where they weren't afraid to PK against anyone and didn't pull any punches.  In hindsight, I should have stayed and fought harder to push EH towards the top.  I feel like my decision to leave and then return cost me some credibility.  

7 hours ago, true said:

Who is the most non-EH EH member of all time? 

Devil1081 has been said, so I will say Warren121212 or Gatorbait223.  Warren was an extremely dedicated binder who could not resist the urge to flame on RSC and was repeatedly suspended for this, and eventually kicked.  Gatorbait was of the same cloth when it came to RSC.  

7 hours ago, true said:

Is there anything you wish EH achieved that it did not?

What are some things you learned from clanning that apply to your daily life today?

What is your thoughts on the United Nations of Clans? Did it ever make a difference?

Link us an EH YouTube video that you think we'll like!

I don't know that I learned anything from clanning specifically but rather clanning reaffirmed who I was.  My time in EH was during my college years as opposed to high school for many others.  I had somewhat found myself and this experience reinforced those positions.  

7 hours ago, Dickus said:

Thinking back on all of it, which moments would you point to as the high and low points of the clan?

I will mention it below, but low point was losing to Collision.  I felt that was acknowledgement of having dropped a significant level in power.  High point was being the type of clan that people would end rather than fight if they knew they didn't have a significant numerical advantage.  EH's man for man quality was matched only by a few (TT, RSD, RDC).  

6 hours ago, Pietru said:

Worst loss that EH had in your opinions?

I think one of the most gut wrenching losses for me was 12 or 14 hours feel with Collision when we called it off.  I felt completely and utterly deflated.  Crushed.  

6 hours ago, Flukejiver said:

Whats the most NH thing you've ever done?

As a leader the scrutiny you were under was magnified 10 told over a member.  Even if I had wanted to do something I wouldn't have been able to.  My list is kind of tame.  Deep into fights I would return without a weapon at times if I was taking a fall in and knew I was going to die, potentially even before I had the opportunity to skull.  I would just have a staff to tank.  These were fights where I died in excess of 50 times.  

7 hours ago, Eric`` said:

What was the most defining moment of eh?

EH was a clan with uncompromising values.  We striker, and even kicked members, for things that other clans wouldn't have batted an eye at.  I don't think there was one exclusive moment that defined EH, but rather a continuing, conscious effort to remain true to ourselves.  

7 hours ago, Flukejiver said:

What were the biggest strengths/weakness of EH has a whole?

Strengths: An uncompromising dedication to our values and our core memberbase that carried us through.  We were extremely organized as well.  

Weaknesses: Our commitment to our integrity and self imposed rules held us back in an environment where others didn't play by the same rules.  Our membercount was never enough to push us over the top.  We were very selective with who we took in.  

7 hours ago, true said:

What were your thoughts on Nullusion opening a clan (Vengeance) as EH closed? Did you keep up with it? Did you think it would succeed? 

 

Do you keep up with his current clan, Deathrow? If so, what do you think about DR as a clan and the success he's led them to in P2P? 

 

How would you compare current day Null to the one that was in EH?

I haven't really followed Deathrow too much.  If I had more interest in p2p pking I may have explored it more.  Null is Null.  He's a great guy that never sugarcoats anything and will always stand up for his friends and those he respects.  

7 hours ago, Vanzant said:

Hello lads

Hello.  Were you ever in BK?

7 hours ago, inf` said:

@Xero legpics?

No fucking leg pics.  Get out of here with that!

7 hours ago, Ssj said:

Most memorable EH fight?

Worst EH official?

 

Biggest regret in EH?

Some of my most memorable fights early on were against VR, later against EoS.  I don't know that EH ever truly hated any clan, but these two were top of that list if it existed.  

 

Worst official: This is tough.  EH was very thorough with who they promoted but the ones I never understood were Ommoht as a Grand Officer - he was never active, never around and as nice of a guy as he is, I don't know what he brought to the table.  I also think Striker 36 was a mistake.  The guy snapped and bailed rather than be mature and figure his shit out.  

 

Biggest regret: This is easy.  Leaving.  I recognized my mistake right away and ultimately came back but it's been said before that I am a passionate and emotional person at times and this can lead to me making a rash decision.  Leaving for Corruption was probably an example of that.  I have mellowed in my old age.  

7 hours ago, true said:

What clan leaders did you respect the most? The least?

 

 

Did you read Brian's AMA? If so, any thoughts?

I respected anyone who was willing to be honest and consistently true to themselves.  For that reason, my list would include people like D0nts, Lego, Flinstoneman, The Rad's, Brian, Chopa, Mar, F1r3o, etc.

7 hours ago, true said:

Thoughts on @MILAD ❤️

When Milad was in EH with me, he was very young still.  I actually butted heads with him a LOT.  I wish I could have played with him later when he grew into his personality a bit more.  Younger Milad was stressful haha.  

 

2 hours ago, true said:

What is your all-time favorite EH victory?

 

The biggest, most memorable victories I had were of going toe to toe with DI and VR and winning in f2p multi before Jagex removed the wilderness.  

What was the biggest loss in EH's history?

 

This is a tough one to answer.  I think one that always bothered people was fighting against DI, for the length of time and effort involved, the momentum seemed firmly in EH's camp and then the server crashed, ending the fight.  DI claimed the victory based on higher numbers in their pile.  This was a tough pill for many in EH to swallow.  

 

What made Islamia a great leader?

 

Islamia was a very unique individual.  Extremely mature for his age and the kind of person that people just gravitated towards naturally.  His charisma and ability to maintain a calm demeanor in the face of anything were uncommon in that day and age.  

What were your personal biggest strengths/weaknesses?

 

I have never liked questions like this.  Self evaluation is difficult for a lot of people, I am no exception to that.  That being said, if I had to say what my biggest strengths were, I'm a very organized, thorough individual and I'm very meticulous in my actions and approach to any task.  I look at the objective and instantly start analyzing a way to tackle it.  I am very sure of myself once I make a decision and I am loyal to my position and I will defend anyone loyal to me with every fiber of my being.  As far as weaknesses, I cannot abide ignorant people and liars.  I struggle to swallow my pride and move away from an issue, especially if I know that I'm right and the other person is wrong.  This can lead to me escalating a conflict and I'm very stubborn, refusing to let something go.  My personality can often be viewed as abrasive or extremely assertive and this leads me to conflict with those around me, even when that is not my intent.  As such, I tend to pull back and be quiet and reserved at times in order to avoid conflict.  

 

What are the biggest strengths and weakness of everyone else you're doing this AMA with?

 

3lite - Extremely analytical and a methodical planner.  Has the best interest of those he's representing at the forefront of his actions.  Weaknesses - Too conservative and reserved.  Unwilling to take a calculated risk.  He and I have talked about this, but I feel that EH was not aggressive enough in pushing for being #1, but rather focusing on specific clans rather than stepping into the ring with anyone and taking the risk.  No risk, no reward.  Right/wrong/other, in general I viewed 3lite as rather risk averse when it came to tactical decisions for EH.  

 

Grug - Grug is a great person.  A genuinely good soul who made the clan better just by being there.  Grug's biggest weakness though was his inactivity.  Grug had the potential to be an amazing leader but he was never around enough to really take that next step.  This held him back.  

 

S17 - Trevor is a great leader.  He is someone I saw as very similar to myself in many respects so I think this led me to take him under my wing at times and help him grow.  I watched him mature a lot over the time we overlapped in the clan and I'm proud of the leader and person he's turned into.  Weaknesses - Trevor is someone who wants to see everyone succeed and this can lead to him compromising his position on a topic, even when he knows he's right, just for the sake of not upsetting a group of individuals.  A leader knows that they're not going to satisfy everyone at all times, there will be hard decisions and a good leader knows when to make those decisions rather than try and keep everyone happy.  The challenge then is how to smooth things over when you have to make those kind of decisions for the good of the clan.  

 

2 hours ago, Flukejiver said:

@ everyone

 

What's your opinion on the current clan world? 

 

The clan world today reminds me of the burned out husk of a star on it's way to dying.  There's been a bit of a resurgence but it will never be what it was.  It's glory days are behind it.  It has time left, but it's days are numbered.  

 

 

2 hours ago, Eric`` said:

Why did you side with df over cor in the original clusters

 

It came down to a difference of values and ideals.  EH felt that DF more closely aligned to those we held ourselves.  

 

2 hours ago, Eric`` said:

Who is e undisputed goat of eh callers 

 

Tough question.  A lot of people had varying strengths and weaknesses.  I was not around to see S17, Jonezy50, or even Rvcwrestler as Commanders but I did see them call often enough as members stepping up and helping.  Overall though I would have to say Uber N00blet was an exceptional caller when it came to leading a fall in and picking initial targets in f2p multi, when it came to CWA, I always enjoyed S17 and Nullusion.  

 

2 hours ago, Eric said:

That clan was full of nice people. 

 

Do you think there is place for honour / No Honour in the current clan scene?

 

No.  It's turned into the wild west and there is no place for a group of arbitrary rules and trust that the other party will hold to those rules and not use it to a tactical advantage.  

 

2 hours ago, Eric`` said:

Least favorite clan to fight

 

EoS was probably my least favorite to fight.  You knew what you were getting with DI, and you knew that RoT was going to crash.  You knew what you were getting with VR and Corr, DF, TT, etc.  With EoS you never knew what you were going to get.  They could go toe to toe with you and slug it out or it could be a track meet chasing people all around the wilderness.  Very frustrating not to know what to expect.  

 

2 hours ago, Flukejiver said:

If you had to join a current clan, who would it be and why?

 

Tempest.  This should be obvious as I'm an intro.  I enjoy the community and the people here are ones that I closely relate to.  

 

Hey everyone, I'm Xero!  A little background on me: I joined Eternal Honour during it's inception as I was a Future Templar in Sacred Templars when they closed.  EH was my first significant venture into a serious PK Clan in the glory days of the clan world.  I was a member of Eternal Honour from it's genesis in 2006 until sometime in 2009 when I retired.  I retired at the rank of Commander (PK Leader).

 

Eternal Honour was something I took a lot of pride in being a part of.  We had an extremely strong core group of members that carried us through highs and lows.  This core group was always very skilled and allowed us to have a significant impact in an extremely competitive environment.  Early on I caught the bug for clan PKing and wanted to do anything I could to help our clan succeed, which led to me becoming more outspoken and helping to support calling when PK leaders were either piled or returning.  I have always gravitated toward leadership positions in my life and this was no exception.  My skill at calling, coupled with my desire to lead and help my peers win, led to my eventual promotion to Commander, which I took a lot of pride in.  I personally think my strengths were focused around quick reactions, I excelled at transitions, especially early on in CWA when teams were just getting started with operating with limited fall in leaders and no longer having the ability to return and I brought a lot of energy to the fight.

 

The removal of the wilderness led to some dark days in the clan world but I feel a sense of accomplishment in knowing that I was able to help carry EH through the Bounty Hunter era and CWA era until I got burnt out and hung up my scimitar.

 

EH was always home for me and I look back fondly on my relationships I formed during those years.  My goal was to have fun, and I truly think I did that.  And if I was able to help others succeed and grow while doing so, then I consider that a win.  So let's do this!  Ask me anything!

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