3lite

I had similar experiences to others being in a leadership role at a young age, which helps to teach strategic thinking and mentally simulating the outcomes of decisions made.

However, something that I didn't see in the thread yet that probably many of us could consider is that Runescape kept me out of trouble as a rowdy teenager.  When I was in middle/early high school before I found Runescape, I was starting to hang out with a bad crowd.  While most of my friends were about 14, we had an older guy in our group with a truck who we thought was just about the coolest guy ever.  That older guy was getting us to do stupid things that could have ended us up in a lot of trouble.  While I wasn't the most rowdy of my friends, I remember being along for the ride when mailboxes were blown up with fire works, my friends were stealing lumber supplies from a building site to build a tree house, and I remember being chased into the woods by police sirens after exploring an abandoned building.  I also remember being knocked out after our group got into a fight with another group of rowdy teenagers (I was lucky, one of our group got his jaw broken and had to drink ensure milk as his food for a few months).  Playing Runescape got me into a different group of friends and I spent less and less time with my old ones.

I've got a good life now.  Never really been in any serious trouble as an adult and I (unfortunately) can't say the same about some of my old friends.  Thanks for making me a nerd, Runescape.

Fierce grape Gatorade

Living in modern day Aleppo, Syria or in Pompeii in the year 78 (one year before eruption; most folks were able to escape, but still some danger; living without modern amenities).

Beer

Would you rather date a girl that looks like Bruce Willis or a guy that looks like Emilia Clarke

Many memories.   I don't know why this was the first thing I thought of, but I missed pking in Runescape Classic at dark wizards northwest of Edgeville on my pure.  Using a rune dagger to disguise my hits when fighting monsters and then switching to an R2H when people skulled on me.

Answered yes, but really depends on the circumstances.  It snows rarely where I am, but tends to dump when it does.  Two years ago, we had 3 feet over the course of 2-3 days and I lost power for over a week.  Not fond of running the generator 24/7 to keep pets and refrigerated goods alive.

Top bunk

A rare disease where your feet sweat 24/7 or a rare disease where all your body hair grows an inch a day.

Coke

Stung by a black stingray (approximately 400 pounds with the stinger the size of a sword with serrated teeth pointing backward as in an arrowhead) or bitten by a king cobra (fatality rate of about 30%)

Man... this brings back memories.  I knew him when he was in The Devilz and was one of their lowest combats ranging every fight.  I P2P pked with Venom long before EH was created and after EH died, rather than join a clan, I pked with him and a few other old friends.  I have nothing but the best to say for Venom, and it is crazy to think I've known this guy for over half my life.

Hoping everything works out with the court irl and great to see you around.

Hey WL, thank you for doing this AMA.  Have two questions for you folks.

First, as a country clan, the vast majority (all?) of your members are Brazilian.  Do you think that is something that has overall been a positive for recruitment (Portuguese speakers would naturally gravitate toward the clan/community) or a negative for recruitment (subsetting the potential member pool to a small part of Runescape's base players)?

Second, and more selfishly, any thoughts/memories on the following dinosaurs... or any word on where they may have ended up?

Decceiver (my fellow EH metal lover), S2 Guh S2 (I miss Gustavo and his positive attitude), Afonsosuper, Armorhelmet3, Dark Falco13 (this guy was a wild man), and Thicombra (may be misspelled slightly)

The EH Brazillian unit was one that we've mostly lost contact with and were really core members of our community.  Hope they're doing well, where ever they are out there.

2 minutes ago, Josh said:

MK

 

DA or TD

TD

CR or Col

12 hours ago, true said:

I love the Waybackmachine.

 

Also, @3lite do you stand by this?

I stand by that it is really hard to judge!

Memory is hazy from that long ago.  I remember F1r30, many people from the titans, Rob, Andy4309, Rad, Peterh, d132n3, Cheezy (EoS).
 

Taxing

On 12/1/2020 at 11:48 PM, inf` said:

I see that Sons of Winter and Stars.

Thank you to @true, Tempest, and Tempest community members for the thought-provoking questions and the opportunity to relive some of these old memories.

Really appreciate S17, Xero, Grug, and other EH members who have contributed to this topic to add their own perspectives.

Lastly, thanks to the old friends and rivals to EH for helping to build memories that last after ten years of the clan being closed.  We were all part of a very special thing in the clan world of that period, and I'll look back on that time with fondness and nostalgia.

My favorites were:

Clan karaoke
Drunken 'B' movie night
Fishing guild events (this might seem silly, but it was really just a chance to get everyone together to hang out and chat while not paying attention to RS)
EH Dota (featuring Tyreal raging on everyone for being bad)

1 hour ago, Ashley said:

@all,

Who were some people that you mentored, or were friends with and saw potential in, and where did they end up in the clan world?

As what I'd mentioned earlier, I felt like I could have done a much better job of mentoring.

As my successor, I saw the most potential in Nullusion and Slaughter for different reasons.  With Nullusion, especially, I spent a lot of time scenario planning and running through different tactical ideas.  I saw in Nullusion: 1.) an interest in the tactical, 2.) a lot of experience as a pk leader, 3.) good fall in leader, and 4.) a good motivator.  Nullusion was extremely dedicated to EH, and was one of the ones working hardest toward our success.  With Slaughter I saw that he: 1.) inspired confidence in the members, 2.) was probably our best fall in leader, 3.) was a quick learner.  Slaughter definitely had a lot of respect from the members and leadership team.

Both of these individuals had success in the clan world after EH, with Nullusion currently leading DR.

For Officers, I especially saw potential in Tristan138 and Ava_Ad0re.  Both of these were introspective, thoughtful individuals who helped to advance the community of the clan.  I don't think either of these folks would have comprised on our ideals.  We had many other officers/members who I felt really excelled as mentors to new members, some of whom include, Fiercechamp, Stokiedeb, Swtkittn, MajinVegeta, Rocky, and Lil Blaknite.

4 hours ago, The End said:

Any other interesting #EHLeaders chat logs you would be willing to share 10+ years later? Such as during/after a big fight, or just a crazy/funny story.

Unfortunately, 98% of the logs aren't of interest.  They're talking about random daily happenings or just friendly chatter.  One day I wouldn't mind sorting through them to pull out the interesting conversations.  I'd be really concerned though about posting them, because there is personal or private information that was said in the confidence of only leaders being around, that it isn't my place to post without permission of all those involved.

Here is one for fun though - decisions to call off returning 6 hours into a fight with VR (very early in our history, probably 2006 when 6 hours was a really long fight), Striker being Striker, running Broski out of rune sets and Ava changing the tone to the positives of the fight:

<Kevin|Uber> Broski
<Kevin|Uber> Broski
<Kevin|Uber> Vr have 150 opts
<Kevin|Uber> we have like 60
<Kevin|Uber> kk they apparently have 110 opts
<ZacH> man
<ZacH> we aren't giving up huh?
<silent> Where are we now, returning again
<Fueledbyhype> Just got back, sorry had to help my dad.
<Kevin|Uber> I have one more set
<Broski> I'm out of melee and ranged. I'll have to head to w3 again
<Striker> we havn't got the drive to return
<Fueledbyhype> There so pessimistic in ventrilo.
* Striker has left #EHleaders
<Broski> We have a core group that will return no matter what
<Broski> However we need the whole clan to.
<Kevin|Uber> Broski
<Kevin|Uber> I have like
<Kevin|Uber> 60 opts on me at spiders
<Fueledbyhype> More like 40 but oh well, let's do it.
<Broski> Is it worth trying anymore?
<Fueledbyhype> o
<Fueledbyhype> No
<Fueledbyhype> 30 opts left.
<Fueledbyhype> I just died.
<silent> Call it off :#
<Fueledbyhype> Let them try one more regroup
<Fueledbyhype> :$
<ZacH> i say call it
<ZacH> vr has too many
<Fueledbyhype> I agree.
<ZacH> i gtg
<ZacH> we tried i guess, idk how we lost
<Broski> Only the same few who return.
<ZacH> yeah
<silent> We really need to fix this problem ;s
<ZacH> that 100 opts that returned
<ZacH> k i need to go
<Broski> IT's at Greaters now, we have a chance.
<ZacH> really?
<ZacH> one more time
<ZacH> im gonna come and unskull tank
<ZacH> im good at greaters
<Fueledbyhype> I'm thinking we do some fun events next week lol.
<ZacH> yeah lol
<ZacH> the noob item pk
<Broski> Aye.
<ZacH> im going to get a good outfit
<Kevin|Uber> Guys I have to go ?
<ZacH> cya uber
<Broski> We have a mini-war set up, and we can put in other
<ZacH> i have 39 helms left
<ZacH> thats depressing, friday i had 55
<Broski> I have 0. Having to go buy more again :$
<silent> Maybe find another mini for next weekend. :$
<ZacH> k i gtg
<ZacH> sorry
<Broski> 3lite has TRWF. We'll do a mage trip and
<ZacH> noob gear pls
<Broski> We'll add in one of the other fun events
<Broski> Noob gear would be my choice :$
<Broski> Well, I was going to call off returning..But EH seems to not want to stop ?
<ZacH> one more time then i really have to go lol
<ZacH> def ammy acceptable?
<ZacH> since im just tanking
<Fueledbyhype> I'm out of basically everything lol, I'm going to be camping at those ice trolls tomorrow for Rune kites lol.
<ZacH> im raiding all my other chars for rune
<ZacH> i have two sets on x zachs bank
<Fueledbyhype> Wtf I thought you had 40 today?
<ZacH> i do
<ZacH> but
<ZacH> i died 15 ish times
<ZacH> and i hate seeing less than 30 sets
<Fueledbyhype> Oh lol
<ZacH> k igtg
<Fueledbyhype> See ya ZacH.
<silent> Seeeya
<Fueledbyhype> Thanks for being so determined today :$
<silent> ;o Broski Flyingmatt introed
<silent> I believe I win that bet then eh
<Broski> Aye lol
<Fueledbyhype> Ok, I have to go as well, need to go get ready for tomorrow. School vacation is over NOOO ? lol. See ya guys
<silent> Seeya Fueledbyhype ?
* Fueledbyhype has left #EHleaders
<silent> Whats up with the forums Broski
<Kevin|Uber> silent
<Kevin|Uber> gr4ffik has been working on em
<silent> Says he hasnt touched em :$
<silent> Hmm Broski
<silent> I think its time we did those fortnightly activity sweeperinos
<Broski> Aye.
<Kevin|Uber> Broski
<Kevin|Uber> Is it off?
<Broski> Yes
<Ava_Ad0re> zach are you here?
<silent> He left
<Ava_Ad0re> Mithwiz has his bucket helm =P
<silent> Broski, when are we thinking to close the apps
<Kevin|Uber> Broski
<Kevin|Uber> how much cash is 19 deaths?
<Kevin|Uber> 5 with ghjjf sets
<Kevin|Uber> just wondering
<Broski> Hm
<Broski> Close to 4mill
<Broski> Good job to the New Leaders, all three of you did great ?
<Kevin|Uber> Autorank please?
<Kevin|Uber> All 3 of us died 15+ times ?
<Broski> Lol ?
<Broski> One of you should lead the all Mage trip, and another can lead whatever event we have next week end
<Kevin|Uber> lmao
<silent> Lol. I went and hunted down the p2p team that killed me
<silent> bunch of lvl 96s
<silent> Koed 2 of them
<silent> Free hides woot
<Broski> Lmao ;$
<Broski> Aussie Revenge
<silent> >:D
<Kevin|Uber> Broski
<Kevin|Uber> how much you wanna bet that grug wakes up in the next 5 minutes?
<Broski> He'll wait up right now
<Broski> wake
<Broski> GRUG
<silent> Nah
<Broski> GRUG ATTACK
<Broski> GRUG ATTACK
<silent> 2 hours
<Broski> GRUG ATTACK
<silent> lol
<Broski> Ah
<Ava_Ad0re> Lol
<silent> He says he always wakes up at 3-4 in the afternoon
<silent> Like a true koala
<Broski> He needs to adjust his sleeping pattern lol
<Ava_Ad0re> What time is it in Australialand?
<silent> 1:21 pm for me
<silent> 11:21 am for Grug|ZzZ
<Kevin|Uber> I dont get why everyone is so negative about today
<Kevin|Uber> putting up a fight for 6 hours = dedication tbh.
<silent> Yeah
<silent> I dont understand ;$
<Ava_Ad0re> Kevin|Uber this is where the real work comes in
<Ava_Ad0re> to get that point across
<Broski> Main part of being a leader is mentality. To drive the negativity out of member's skulls.
<silent> ^ :$
<silent> Sometimes it requires a sledgehammer
<Broski> That's Ommoht's method.
<Ava_Ad0re> Lol
<silent> ;D
<Ava_Ad0re> You did great, though, Kevin|Uber
<Ava_Ad0re> You all did
<Ava_Ad0re> I think what each of us should do is make a post, a sincere one, accentuating all the positives
<silent> Aye
<silent> Wouldnt go astray
<Ava_Ad0re> Yep
<Broski> I agree.
<Broski> For example
<Broski> Ah nevermind
<Broski> I forgot.
<Kevin|Uber> Bs
<Ava_Ad0re> say it =P
<Broski> No, ask silent and Ava
<Kevin|Uber> Hi silent and Ava_Ad0re
<Broski> I forget things all the time in mid-sentence.
<Ava_Ad0re> lol
<Ava_Ad0re> Positive - seamless transition to PK leaders
<silent> They even fell in on me
<silent> ;o
<silent> ;d
<Ava_Ad0re> Positive - we fought with heart
<Ava_Ad0re> Positive - we spammed hard (until our fingers got sore)
<Ava_Ad0re> Positive - we are determined.
<Broski> :$
<Ava_Ad0re> Positive - We gave VR a run for their money
<Ava_Ad0re> Positive - We had new people calling in vent
<Ava_Ad0re> Positive - We had more people to fall in on
<Broski> Very nice.
<Ava_Ad0re> Right, so there's lots?
<Ava_Ad0re> NOt "we didn't win"
<silent> Aye
<silent> Make a nice post Ava_Ad0re ?

 

6 hours ago, Adam_ said:

I guess your wording for the question would be more appropriate.

 

What happened with Striker 36? 

 

Also, were there any well known individuals in EH who spied for other clans? 

Leaking IRC chat logs from #EHleaders below on Striker 36 (Silent and Ava were Council members; Striker and I were Pk Leaders at the time):

<silent> Striker
<silent> Can i talk to you?
<Striker> ABOOT
<silent> Ive had complaints that you are kicking people on vent for no reason :$
<Striker> i was
<silent> Why?
<Striker> shits and giggles
<Ava_Ad0re> I've had the complaint also
<silent> Well the people who you are doing it too
<silent> are not finding it very funny
<silent> So can you please refrain from kicking people
<silent> unless its neccicary?
<Ava_Ad0re> ^^
<Striker> nope
<Striker> j\k
<Ava_Ad0re> Seriously, Striker
<Striker> was it emily
<Ava_Ad0re> It doesn't matter who it was
<Striker> She was verbally abusing me
<Ava_Ad0re> If that's the case then remove her, not anyone or everyone.
<Striker> i didn't remove anyone els
<Ava_Ad0re> You admitted you were abusing power?
<Ava_Ad0re> <Striker> i was
<Ava_Ad0re> <silent> Why?
<Ava_Ad0re> <Striker> shits and giggles
<silent> Striker
<silent> Emma said she called you an idiot because you were moving people around in channels
<Striker> i would do it with air var as a joke
<Striker> i moved snuff because he asked
<Striker> now is there anything
<Striker> else?
<silent> Striker
<silent> apparently he did not ask
<Striker> then why is he not complaining
<silent> Just be good in the channel ok?
<Striker> btw
<Striker> elbourico492 pks with rot
<silent> Whos that?
<Striker> A FK
<silent> Ava_Ad0re, any words?
<Ava_Ad0re> Oh really?
<silent> and Striker, one more thing :$
<Ava_Ad0re> Let me go look at his intro
<silent> People were getting frustrated that you were asking for their phone numbers
<Striker> w\e m8 people need to stop tieing a corsette to their asses
<silent> I know u were joking but if people are getting pissed off by it dont press it
<Striker> i didn't
<Striker> tbh i could care less what matt21164 thinks about me
<silent> Mate, your a leader, so just have some maturity about it and dont instigate drama with members even if you dont like them, please.
<Striker> i don;t
<Striker> eh got all pissed off
<Striker> and started going off on me
<Striker> i don't need to be their friend and they don't need to be mine
<Ava_Ad0re> I don't see why people can't just get a long?
<Ava_Ad0re> Silent
<Ava_Ad0re> You're sure it's Elboricua925?
<Ava_Ad0re> not just a similar name?
<threelite|afk> You don't have to be someones friend striker, and they don't have to be yours. But it makes things a lot easier if members/leaders command a mutual respect for each other. Not saying you aren't respected, I love my striker. ?
<silent> I have no idea Ava_Ad0re lol
<silent> Striker brought it up $:
<silent> I confess I dont know that many Fks names
<Striker> the only people who ever cause trouble is matt and his ag crew
<Ava_Ad0re> I'll talk to him and see, silent
<silent> Kk
<Striker> I have a screen if you want it
<Ava_Ad0re> sure
<Striker> my screen sucks...
<Striker> it's got his name but the body is gone
<Striker> yeah ok
<Striker> <Link96> Striker is becoming a real nuisance in Vent. Tonight, when Emster and ScreaminJ along with Snuff were in Emster's Hideout (her own channel), he started some trouble. He moved everyone into that Password protected channel and wouldn't stop. Then they proceeded to move to other channels to be alone, yet Striker still does the same. Then he starts moving Snuff all around and then kicks Emily. Everyone is really getting mad at
<Striker> i just got demoted
<Striker> was fun
<Striker> im done
<Striker> !deluser Striker
<Striker> bye guys
* Striker has left #EHleaders


On the logs above, it was one example of many where Striker was stepping over the line.  I always got along with him well, but he didn't have the personality of a leader.

I'm unaware of anyone in EH who was a spy for another clan.  The language I used earlier in the thread when I referred to DI having spies was an issue where DI had access to our forums through an unknowing member.  From Ghjjf's AMA he also mentioned that he gave our forum access to VR.  We occasionally had people get caught intentionally giving our worlds to enemy clans and punished accordingly.

INTJ - A (Architect)

 

8 minutes ago, true said:

Rev

 

Solace or Shadow Elves

Solace

2004 ZF or 2006 ST

I wonder if this would be irritating to our bodily orifices given that those appear to be the flaming hot version of Cheetos.  His face doesn't look too excited.

This one is a big yes, how the civilized man does his business on the go.

55 minutes ago, true said:

What country clan did you respect the most?

Country clans played and important role in EH's history.  Many of our capped PKRIs, miniwars, and fun/practice events were with country clans.  The clans we were close with and did practice events with changed throughout history, but the clans I'd mention here were some of the staples.

RDC - Probably the country clan we jointly held events with most frequently.  Their leader (Dubbel Drank) was an EH member.  RDC was an excellent friendly clan to EH in that they were extremely organized, capable of pulling a similar number of people to us, and had a community that many members in EH really liked. As in Xero's history post, RDC defeated EH in an official war, and EH had a really strong warring record.

LF - Especially early on in EH's history, LF was capable of pulling very large numbers.  We were not as close with LF as we were with RDC, but we had many fights against them.

TRWF - Not a traditional country clan, but being heavily European-based, I'd put them here.   TRWF was widely acknowledged as having great organization and pulling great numbers.  EH was closest with TRWF for the first few years.  I think (but may be remembering things incorrectly) that one of the TRWF leaders was not as big of a fan of EH near the end of our time and I'm unsure why.  If there were negative feelings toward EH, the feelings were one-sided with EH always respecting TRWF.

MMA - MMA was a smaller clan, but had many overlapping members with EH.  We occasionally held joint practice fights with them and were very amenable to assisting their growth however we could.

I believe all of the country clans I've mentioned here are not given a fair place in clan history.  They were all large, organized, and motivated enough to take a win off the top clans in capped time or no returning fights.  EH members had a really healthy respect for these clans and always treated fights with them seriously.

On 11/28/2020 at 11:48 AM, Monkey said:

I think this hits the nail on the head. People are so intent on winning that they’ll do just about anything. That, in combination with the advantage a clan has from effectively sucking the fun out of the game for their opponent, has led to things spiraling out of control. Early on, people rationalized certain changes (dragging, returning, etc.) as the clan world evolving, and maybe there was some truth to that. But for the last several years it’s been a race to the bottom.

 

I don’t have any questions for you all about EH, but I wanted to apologize to those of you who were there (3lite, Grug, Xero, Krystal, to name a few) for the way I acted during my time there. I was an immature little shit, not to mention a dick to some of you on a personal level.

No grudges held for things that happened 10 years ago when we were all a whole lot younger.  Glad to see you still around and hope life has treated you well.

 

16 hours ago, I Kill Batty said:

If @MILAD and Rocky238 got into a fight, who would win?

This one depends on when the fight occurred.  Milad was younger than Rocky back in EH, so if they got into a fight during EH times, Rocky would have won.  If we're talking about a fight occurring today, Rocky is a geezer and Milad is still in his prime.  Rocky would have the moves and technique to win a fight given his countless hours studying Floyd Mayweather, but Milad would have the craziness factor going for him, with an unpredictable fighting style.
 

2 hours ago, Xero said:

I would like to preface this by saying this was not written by myself and I am unsure of who the author is, but in discussion with 3lite, we believe that it most likely was authored by him.  Below is a history of Eternal Honour, previously written and documented in some dark hole internet archive.  There is a lot of good stuff in here.  It captures the time from EH's inception through our 4th Official War (post wildy/BH multi era, deep CWA era).  

 

 

Thanks for posting this.  I don't remember writing this one, but no one still contactable in EH leadership can recall who wrote it.  It is possible that it was Broski, but the embellishing and emotive language looks more like something I would have written than him.  Much of this history was before Islamia's time.

Whatever the case, the story is incomplete.  I think the folks on this AMA should get together with Null, DP9, Ava_Ad0re, Swt, and other important folks from the period to finish it before it is lost to time.

11 hours ago, Anton said:

Hi everyone, Reg 104 here. 

 

My question is for 3lite or any of the other officials.

 

When I joined EH it was to follow my Auzzie brother, Rocky238. He actively pissed in my ear and attempted to recruit me for months..as well as many other people to the clan..I don't even know if he knew he was doing it..sneaky! Rocky spoke extremely highly of the officials of the the clan, especially Islamia, 3lite, Slaughter and UnbrokenXero. 3lite was DEFINITELY his man crush..he loved him more than me! When I joined the clan I was surprised at how well loved he was by the members..for hours going crazy on TS, never leaving until it was over (usually pretty pissed and cranky if we called it) 

 

• QUESTION: If he hadn't left..I'd like to think he may have eventually moved up the ranks especially under his bromance 3lite's guidance? Thoughts?
  
  In EH, there were two separate paths for leadership.  There was the commander path for fall in leaders and the officer path for council members.  Rocky (as it should be evident in this AMA) was a really beloved member in the EH community.  He did a lot for the clan by recruiting new members, being really affable, binding in all fights, and (especially) in motivating members.  I see Rocky's first two mentioned attributes as being key for a council member, but his motivation and warring focus as being more key to a commander.  The most important job for a commander was leading fall ins, which Rocky did on some very rare occasions, but I don't think he was comfortable with yet.
  
  I can not say for sure if Rocky would have moved up in the ranks.  He had some attributes which were really valuable, but would have needed some additional guidance to help him get there.  I think if Rocky would have the time to get more experience leading fall ins, he may have made a really great commander.  Few members in EH pumped up our base like Rocky did.
   
  • EDIT: QUESTION: Did EH's skilling community / non-warring members / community have an effect on EH's ability in quickly assembling for spur trips and fights? I personally think we had a pretty good balance..however, I did find it frustrating at times as I loved the thrill of a fight.
    
    Every clan had a different approach to community and warring frequency.  Some of our members were really only interested in one or (perhaps) two large fights on the weekend, desiring to do other activites throughout the week.  This really frustrated a lot of the members who were more interested in a clan that was very active during the week pking. 
    
    It would put leaders into a bit of a quandary because the only way to have weekday PKs and appeal to a large portion of the community not interested in weekday PKs was to make them non-mandatory.  However, if a non-mandatory pk trip were to get hit by a rival clan, then the leadership is put into a tough spot of taking a free/easy loss from a rival or making the pk trip mandatory (to the detriment of the community-oriented members).  Therefore, there were many times when we couldn't realistically host weekday PKs whenever we wanted without EoS/VR taking advantage of that approach.  I saw pking activity as a trade off in EH - do we want to pk lots, pull fewer members, and compete with smaller clans, or do we want to pk primarily on the weekends, pull high numbers, and compete with the large clans?  Leadership directed focus and vision more toward the latter.  I saw those members focused on community and those focused on increased PK activity as equals, with both groups being important for EH's success.

 

 

• Most of the questions I thought of have been answered through the thread. 
• For me, looking back on my time at EH..I loved every minute of it, It was the first larger clan I ventured to after leaving the AEST tz. and it was one of the funnest experiences I had on the game.  Best moment for me - The 12-15 hour pkri with VR where we finally finished them near Spider Hill.

Thanks for organising this and allowing people the opportunity to pose questions that have been on people's minds. 

 

 

 

 

9 hours ago, Vegeta said:

u guys still in touch with green viking was a old school friend of mine back in 04/05

I haven't seen Green Viking in a long time, unfortunately.

3 hours ago, Flummbullen said:

As someone that wasn't around during the period of EH, it's been really interesting to read about your experiences and, from my perspective, especially how EH continued and adapted some of the values carried across from ST. I think it's safe to say that EH became it's own thing and in many ways eclipsed the clans that came before it.

 

Not having been around for the late 2006 to 2009 era, my questions are more focused on the transition from ST to EH.

 

What were your opinions on ST closing when and how it did? Did your perspective change when you later decided to close EH?

ST closing was a shock to so many members and there was an reaction of grief and confusion.  I wasn't in ST for that long before closing, but my reaction was primarily sadness because I felt I had found a home and a team that I could be proud to be a part of.  I wasn't really interested in joining any of the other clans around, so when I read the post, I was worried for what I personally might do.  I don't believe at the time I had any negative feelings toward the ST leadership and respected their decision.  There was no anger or feelings of blame - it was just sadness.

I never thought about how the EH closure was similar or different to ST, but one thing that ST had but EH didn't was a long-term follow up clan that kept the community together.  A regret I have isn't about closing but about not having a more proactive way to keep people connected.

 

What were some things from ST you valued and carried across to EH?

Many of the honor values that EH held were carry-overs from ST. Because most of EH's starting members originated from ST, the community of EH was much more similar to ST than many of the other clans during the period.

 

What were some things from ST you didn't like and were glad to leave in the past and change how they were done in EH?

 

The only thing I can think of here is ST's stance on long fights.  I remember the longest fights we had while I was in ST being around 4 hours long.  There was a point when ST was unwilling to fight for longer periods, which I felt could be taken advantage of too easily by rival clans.  Along similar lines and as discussed earlier in the AMA, we originally held ST's values on dragging, but had to drop those to be competitive.
 

Did EH cop any grief for being a "remake" (EH definitely seems to have outgrown any such ideas though), similar to how ST would get comments about the ZF past (despite there being an actual ZF-remake)? Do you have any general thoughts on the line of clans leading up to EH and of it affected anything for you?

I think at first the community saw us as an ST remake (which was probably a fair assessment) but as time went on, I would say we were able to create our own image and we became less and less viewed as being related to ST or ZF.  By the end of EH, very few ZF members remained in EH.  I think an interesting thought experiment would be to drop a ZF member from December 2004, an ST member from December 2006, and an EH member from December 2008 all into a room and ask "what makes your clan successful?"  I bet you'd get three very different answers.

For something personal... I did consider the lineage of ST when applying for the clan.  I was proud of my time in Gladiatorz and Gladz saw ZF as (likely) their biggest rival in the era that I was a part of that clan.  I was worried about what perceptions would be from my old friends on my choice and if they would feel betrayed.  However, EH and Gladz always had a pretty positive relationship and so I think the worry was more my own perception about what others would think than reality.

 

@Grug why has every clan you've been in closed and why is it your fault? ? Jk you know I love you. Think it shows the dedication you always had to what you signed up for!