Gochance1 AMA

**Gochance1** · January 15, 2021

27 minutes ago, D96 said:

What were your thoughts about me back in Downfall/did anything change?

As a person I thought you were chill and enjoyed chatting with you. It was very obvious that you wanted to grow. Unfortunately, I don't think Downfall was the right place for you to grow with so many people wanting to do the same. I know you wanted to call a lot and had limited chances. I know I blew up recently with the spartans/pandemic stuff but I was just so triggered that every first pile got leaked and both teams wanted to win that. It was very competitive so I apologize for blowing off steam.

What were your thoughts about Exotic?

I have a couple views of Exotic. In general - I loved them. Loved the members and loved what you guys represented. You guys were also good competition and enjoyed how many times we did Downfall vs Exotic. Was good practice for both parties. From a leadership POV with having shared members it was sometimes annoying when events collided with each other and it affected our pull by 5-10 people.

What are your thoughs about Wilderland?

I love wilderland and what you guys are doing. You guys are good for the F2P scene and have had amazing pulls lately. I hope you guys continue with your success. I look forward to fighting you guys every time as it is very competitive and fun!

List 5 brazilian/portuguese men that comes to mind

This is hard but Vitor, Leo, D96, Slyfer, Popota, Majory. I cheated and listed 6 sorry!

Did you ever consider joining RoT?

I did at one point but I did not agree with their mentality and how they handle things. End of the day I believe they are not good for the clan world. Without RoT crashing with 40-60 people or not being there in general god knows what the clan world could become. Just sucks they can't swallow their pride for their own members and the clan world.

Any fight comes to mind in terms of your calling performance sticking out?

I feel I've always done really well against RoT. Fighting DI the last couple times before Downfall closed. Couple times against TR in the wilderness. Hard to say for myself though as I am not really focusing on how well I am doing at the time just trying to make sure piles are being called and we are getting kills.

**Gochance1** · January 15, 2021

11 minutes ago, Adam_ said:

who are killer fame and danzant and what did they do that made PD want them removed from impact so bad?

Killer Fame was a rank in Impact and Danzant was a member in Impact. If I remember correctly PD wanted them kicked for scamming or something while they were in Playdead.

LegionMin3r · January 15, 2021

Who am I?

**D96** · January 15, 2021

Thanks for the replies!

As for the Persians/Pandemic thing it was unfortunate and I can get it because I'm also very competitive, so no hard feelings at all. Personally I enjoyed Downfall's community a lot, I made pretty good friends in there and Downfall was the first main clan I actually cared about. As you said, I wanted to give myself a shot to see how I would do calling in english with the due practice, and because of that and other minor things I ended up leaving. At the same time I feel like some people felt kinda betrayed when I left for DI and ended up holding grudges. Did you also see me as a "traitor" back then or you understood my pov?

Do you think multi-clanning being allowed did more good or bad to Downfall?

Did you think we were actually gonna win that fight vs. RoT in CWA back in 2016? From your perspective, what made us win? I remember a lot of details from that day, from styles to TS atmosphere and it was really fun being there/recording everything.

Why you think Downfall couldn't break the mid sized barreer and become a "top clan"?

What was the Clan Wars team you enjoyed the most fighting against?

Who are the best callers you've heard in OSRS and what made them special?

Do you prefer the current box META or fights with fall ins etc like it was in RS2?

Edited January 15, 2021 by D96

**Adam_** · January 15, 2021

Any people you've lost contact with over the years in clanning that you'd like to see / hear from again?

What did you hope ending Downfall that the clan's legacy would be? Do you think that's how most people, especially those who were part of it, remember it to be?

**Jack** · January 15, 2021

No questions but had a lot of good times together over the years. On the shortlist for biggest contributor to Downfall without question. Glad to see you doing well

**Mohd** · January 15, 2021

55 minutes ago, Jack said:

No questions but had a lot of good times together over the years. On the shortlist for biggest contributor to Downfall without question. Glad to see you doing well

Jack AMA next week confirmed?

**Crest227** · January 15, 2021

17 hours ago, Gochance1 said:

Chad as a leader.. I don't think that role fits him. Before the Ronin stuff it was okay but I do remember not agreeing with everything he was trying to do. I feel sometimes he thought way to far into things and tried to be very controlling of the clan(had to be his way). After the Ronin stuff I was not happy at all especially considering the guy came to me wanting to spy. As a leader you don't risk that kind of stuff and I would never understand why he did(gp is not a reason to do it).

I love chad as a person and I think a rank like council or something would fit him well. He has great experience with his clanning career but not leader material. Nothing wrong with not being leader material either lol as I don't think I have it either.

I haven’t actually talked about my time in Downfall or how it played out from my perspective. I’m not looking to take credit or put anybody down with what I’m about to say but it’s 2021, I don’t give a fuck about politics or trying to earn peoples respect on this game.

In terms of running Downfall? I was the only viable option at the time, I was initially council. You weren’t in the picture until the clan was established and Devin wasn’t involved for like 6/12 months every year. Jack periodically had to go inactive, I was the one who picked Jack to co-lead with me. Which I feel left me to run the clan with Adam, until he bailed to Df2, so yeah I ran it. Any of the above can feel free to dispute that, but I know you won’t.

I was always the outsider in the clan. I had a great relationship with Jack, still do, but I understood that there was a big gap between me and the younger generation, plus I wasn’t old school Downfall. So I set goals, what I did was have Jack be our head leader, our frontline guy to bring everyone together and I was simply his main advisor and the guy who would look after the clan when he was inactive. I definitely surpassed those goals, it’s quite evident with the success we had and the foundation we built, which is still visible to this day.

I’ll say this prememptively, I was totally against bringing the clan to osrs. That’s a fact. I remember having many arguments about it in staff meetings. I told you guys I didn’t want the clan to fail and the amount of work to make us successful in osrs would be astronomical. I was the last person on board for it, that’s true, but I did get on board because I listen to you guys and sacrifice. Out of every single official, I cared the most about the clan. What happened when we went to osrs? Adam left to df2, devin goes inactive and I’m left fighting against Eos who wants to beef with us, who have a severely large start on us and unfinished business from the bannings. It played out exactly how I thought it would, which is why I was hesitant to make such a big leap. Like you guys know me, I’m not a natural gambler, I like a controlled, predictable experience, or at least one where I can manipulate the outcome. I hate chaos, however I think the natural retardation and chaos we had in Downfall, really made me happy to be with you guys lol.

We leveraged our position perfectly, just like our entire time in osrs. This isn’t my ama so I’m going to fast forward to what Devin’s talking about and fill in the gaps. You guys lied to me and betrayed me when you gave me some bullshit logs to try and get wee_man off zybez. You fucked me on that and comprimised my trust with you guys for no reason.

Then Devin did a great job with...I don’t remember if it was Azteka or the other one. But we had 2 spies, both of them friends. The one Devin was working with, got exposed as a spy. During this time you brought me into the loop about the other one. If I had known that there was already a spy who had been caught(as usual you guys fucking me over)I would of never did what I did. But it’s disingenius to think I did it for gold. The gold was the cherry on top, my plan was to crumble the trust of their ranks internally by making Scott think it was one of them.

But let’s keep this 100. If someone has no idea ur spying, comes up to you and says, hey I think ur spying. What do you say bro? No. This guy said yes, Scott had fucking nothing except suspicion from the relationship off the first spy he caught which I had no involvement with. I actually had a great chat with The_End about this shit a couple weeks ago, it just further cemented my stance on the subject. Devin will say one thing, I’ll say the other, you guys took Devins side, The_End has the full story, not that it matters at this point. I’m not holding grudges over the politics, but the fact that you either don’t know the full story or won’t say it, is rather weird.

Reflecting on it now, it blows my mind how insecure Devin was of my position in Downfall. Because that’s what this all boils down to. He sat around 24/7 mesmorizing weirdo scenario’s of me trying to kick him from the clan or lessen his links to it. I never once went to Jack and said hey, Devins gotta go bro, never crossed my mind. But for years Devin sat around transfixed, emotional about me, whispering into peoples ears everyday lmao. I’ll put this on the record, I don’t give a fuck about Devin, but it always irks me when I see him doing shit like this because I don’t feel I ever put him in a position to fear for his power or position in the community.

Lastly, If I gave a rank to someone in Downfall, they earned it. Mohd and shit coming to me begging to rank you all the time and I said No. Tim has to show me activity and commitment then we’re good to go, look how it ended up for you? Look at how it ended up for The_end, I didn’t suck your cocks or beg you to take ranks, I made you earn them and with that respect that was built you became permanent fixtures in the clan. I really look into that psychological shit, how peoples minds work and how to get the best out of them. Do you respect something more that was given to you or was earned? From my vast experience when you’re Tim and given a rank you bail or aren’t invested in it, your clan history shows that bro. But when you’re deeply involved and rooted to a cause, I get the best out of you. Was that me being in control? Absolutely, but it’s standards that we were looking for and it was my mentality to be not just better, but the best, which is what my greatest contributions to Downfall were. I’m fine with people playing the politics, back stabbing me, fucking up good things, blaming their own fuck ups on me, because that’s what a leader does is take responsibility and try to fix things for the betterment of the team. I’d also be in the wrongto say I didn’t deserve a lot of the criticism, I definitetly had my own gaps.

I agree I’m not the leader type, I’m the guy in the background micromanaging things and evaluating with the leader. I’ve simply been a leader so many times because of the lack of them available. Which I think you can understand the sentiment there bro. I think Jack was the only leader we had, I don’t think you were the guy, nor me. Jack was a bit of me and you, making him the perfect fit. He’s actually one of the most under rated guys I’ve ever worked with. Right after Evizu, I’d put Jack. I got love for you bro, always have always will, brothers don’t always see eye to eye, but you know I’ve had your back for the past decade, that shit won’t change. Sorry for the hijack bro!