Should Prostitution Be Legalized

[≈Vanuckle 2,136]

2 hours ago, Kim said:

yeah, this. In Miami, a lot of the prostitution that goes on are people who are trafficked. 

Do you think that making it legal would decrease the amount of human tracking? Or is this unrelated? 

32 minutes ago, Da Bazz said:

This is how it is in the Netherlands.

How well do you find it works in the Netherlands?

[Titan 180]

ye but let's not pretend it's starbucks, it will still be controlled by organised crime so I dunno where all you g00ns are getting a "safer environment" 

[≈Vanuckle 2,136]

26 minutes ago, Titan said:

ye but let's not pretend it's starbucks, it will still be controlled by organised crime so I dunno where all you g00ns are getting a "safer environment" 

I'm glad this was brought up and I think it's worth having some conversation around -- there are examples (particularly in Europe from what I've found) of organized crime running most of the brothels with human trafficking - particularly from Eastern Europe - at the forefront. Hence why many of these countries (namely the Dutch) are trying to re-criminalize prostitution. 

 

In theory -- sex work being protected by the government, with strict regulations and taxation, sounds good, but in practice, it seems to devolve into essentially legitimizing criminal activity and allowing another avenue for crooked organizations to launder money more effectively.

 

Curious to know how it works in Australia?

[Pietru 1,231]

Ya

[Kenny 121]

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[Da Bazz 715]

2 minutes ago, Vanuckle said:

How well do you find it works in the Netherlands?

I don't have first hand experience but for clients it works good for the workers slightly less. Pre-corona it was very easy to get a prostitute date as far as I'm aware.

The government has some institutions that try to take care of the sex workers even offering mental and physical care facilities to deal with all the struggles that come with it. There are some government funded organizations that employ workers and are meant to look after their health. But I've read that they generally don't include LGTBQ workers or straight out discriminate against them.

 

You have high end escorts that literally ask 2k / hr these are exclusively the most sexy men and women (like physically 10s). Then you have brothels where you rent a room and a girl / guy. Most brothels are probably well managed in the sense of protection for the sexworker. Red light districts / window shopping type of deals a little less. Then there are some shady locations but you'd have to be insanely desperate to go there, stuff happens in the open air (abandoned parking lots, construction sites,...). From what I've seen most girls are not Dutch and fell into the work after not being able to get a 'regular' job.  If that's because they are enslaved / trafficked, they legitimately want to be a sexworker or they can't find anything else due to discrimination is an answer I haven't seen popup yet.

 

As for safety, there was a study in Rotterdam in 2020 that said the following, this study was performed over a 1 month, boys and girls were met with:

- 60% physical abuse

- 78% sexual abuse

- 93% emotional abuse

- 58% economical abuse

 

So it's rough out there. It wouldn't surprise me that these numbers are this bad because most clients are sexually and emotionally unstable. They see prostitutes as one of those throw away toys you got on your birthday as a kid, you play with 3 times then never again. I can't help but think that porn also doesn't help because it screwed up how people think about sex 'should' be done. There is a push to TRY bringing the status of a sex worker higher but that takes time. Also I've heard people talking about it being conscious decision to become a sex worker. Not just because 'you can earn 300 euro a date'. It's hard on your mental and physical well-being and most aren't aware of that. You try having sex with your girl / guy multiple times a day for a month and tell me how you feel.

 

tl;dr people are animals I agree with Titan. It should be legalized, everything possible should be done to give sex workers a good 'career' by both the governments and society. Provide them with locations, beds,.. have them keep their dignity. They should be treated with as much respect as a lawyer and your local garbage man. Not all of it is forced labour or done for the wrong reasons (ie money). How to deal with trafficking however I'm not sure. Sex sells. Prices are generally high per hour (as they should be) so it will be abused. But there should be checks and balances on those books just like with any other company.

[Eric 200]

legal!

[Kevin 207]

Dunno rlly since there is alot of sex trafficking if you see some vids about it looks pre bad

[Josh 137]

I mean part of thinks yes, because it's probably marginally safer. Other part says no, as a lot of the prostitutes aren't free women and they're controlled by pimps and gangs.

 

It also brings a lot of bad tourism, as the Netherlands is seeing. Having lived in NL for a few years, I can see why so many local want to remove those kind of attractions. The argument that 'it brings money' assumes you're looking linearly, rather than dynamically at what current tourism could be replaced by and what those opportunities are. 

 

End of the day I'm indifferent, but I'd probably not want my city to legalise it if it meant sex tourists

[Feeenix 307]

Neutral position, if i really have to say something , then 'no'. Pretty much you are trying to regulate something that's abusable and it often runned by shady gangs - organizations. Do you think the government will stop that?

In Chile's position, they'll not care. They are afraid of crime and they will not even bother about it.

 

There's another big factor. Stigmatization , it'll not change anything. People trying to think about 'utopia' saying that older-adult ppl (30+) will change their minds about it... maybe 5% will say ok it isn't too bad. But what about the other 95%. 'You should get a 'decent' job son/daughter' , 'Don't do it , its risky!' . That's because the main part of this job , is regulated by bad entities , and it creates 'Taboo' about sexuality.

 

Looking at Da Bazz's  post makes me wonder. If in a country that's more liberal and  more 'advanced'  society-wise... There's still alot of problems and those are super risky.

You have to keep in mind to , that this service , EASILY 70% of the ppl that will acquire it , will have between a mild mental disorder - to heavy mental disorder ( could be deppresion , anxiety , etc).

Those kind of clients are gonna be put on a psychological test  to buy sexual services? if the answer is 'no' . Well , you aren't being consistent saying that it would help increase workers safety.

 

There's too many loopholes and flaws that should be taken action on. But there's a bigger one , organizated crime. If something its abusable and not regulated. Well gl thinking that it'll change something (Maybe it'll change something but its marginal).

 

 

Edited March 11, 2021 by Feeenix
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[VirgoVaca 581]

11 hours ago, Vanuckle said:

 

"would you want your sister / daughter / mother" to be a sex worker?

 

Not the only person to say something like this, but man/trans/non-binary sex workers are more common than you think.

 

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What's the difference between sex, a facial massage, a pedicure for somebody with a foot fetish like @true, etc.?

 

The justifiable answer shouldn't even be safety. It's bodily autonomy. How would you feel if the government started making your job illegal?

[@Brian 2,802]

Yea it should be legal but as Titan said it's still gonna be run by criminal gangs etc

[Bobby 64]

5 hours ago, Titan said:

ye but let's not pretend it's starbucks, it will still be controlled by organised crime so I dunno where all you g00ns are getting a "safer environment" 

 

17 minutes ago, Brian said:

Yea it should be legal but as Titan said it's still gonna be run by criminal gangs etc

Glad this point was brought up. This would not be the case. It's almost exclusively run by organized crime now and there is absolutely nothing anyone involved can do. They're stuck because they cannot get help without incriminating themselves. If prostitution were legalized, or even decriminalized, then they would be able to seek out help if they were being abused or forced against their will. It also opens the door for unions or genuine business practices. Organized crime would lose their stranglehold because of regulation. Would it be completely eliminated? No, likely not. But it is undeniable that it would significantly improve the quality of life for those involved and organized crime would have a much harder time abusing it. 

 

6 hours ago, Vanuckle said:

Do you think that making it legal would decrease the amount of human tracking? Or is this unrelated? 

It would definitely decrease. Would it eliminate it? No, it would not. If you can regulate and implement rules, much like other services, then you would likely need legitimate employees. Forcing trafficked persons to participate against their will would be much more difficult and face much higher penalties. Because business would be conducted in the open, exposing that you use trafficked persons would devastate a business. Is the model perfect? No. Will people slip through? Sure. But it's a huge step in the right directions and it will likely see a significant improvement in quality of life for those involved, whether they are there voluntarily or not.

[Titan 180]

6 minutes ago, Bobby said:

 

Glad this point was brought up. This would not be the case. It's almost exclusively run by organized crime now and there is absolutely nothing anyone involved can do. They're stuck because they cannot get help without incriminating themselves. If prostitution were legalized, or even decriminalized, then they would be able to seek out help if they were being abused or forced against their will. It also opens the door for unions or genuine business practices. Organized crime would lose their stranglehold because of regulation. Would it be completely eliminated? No, likely not. But it is undeniable that it would significantly improve the quality of life for those involved and organized crime would have a much harder time abusing it. 

 

It would definitely decrease. Would it eliminate it? No, it would not. If you can regulate and implement rules, much like other services, then you would likely need legitimate employees. Forcing trafficked persons to participate against their will would be much more difficult and face much higher penalties. Because business would be conducted in the open, exposing that you use trafficked persons would devastate a business. Is the model perfect? No. Will people slip through? Sure. But it's a huge step in the right directions and it will likely see a significant improvement in quality of life for those involved, whether they are there voluntarily or not.

Amsterdam is legal n its run by biker gangs n all sorts of degenerates

[Bobby 64]

3 minutes ago, Titan said:

Amsterdam is legal n its run by biker gangs n all sorts of degenerates

That may be true, I don't know the exact situation there so I'd have to research it.

 

What I can say is that, if regulated even slightly then it will provide a safer working environment if even a little bit. Healthcare could be provided, routine STD tests, etc. I think it's a pipe dream to say that everything will be great and that no organized crime will be involved. But it's undeniable that opportunity will be there. At the very least, it hurts no one and gives those in bad situations an out should they so choose.